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To: daniel1212

You think that “faith” revival can fix this.

I think that economic incentives/punishment (carrots/sticks) can fix this.

I admit I am a hopeless cynic—life has shown me that if you reward people for something they start believing it is good and right.

If you tax them for it they start believing it is bad and wrong.

This is because of the way the human mind works.

We act.

Then we come up with a million words to justify why we acted.

The words are usually inaccurate at best and lies at worst.


11 posted on 03/05/2023 5:26:59 AM PST by cgbg (Claiming that laws and regs that limit “hate speech” stop freedom of speech is “hate speech”.)
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To: cgbg; ConservativeMind; ealgeone; Mark17; BDParrish; fishtank; boatbums; Luircin; mitch5501; ...
You think that “faith” revival can fix this. I think that economic incentives/punishment (carrots/sticks) can fix this. I admit I am a hopeless cynic—life has shown me that if you reward people for something they start believing it is good and right. If you tax them for it they start believing it is bad and wrong. This is because of the way the human mind works. We act. Then we come up with a million words to justify why we acted. The words are usually inaccurate at best and lies at worst.

Actually, everything that we choose to do is a result, an effect, of what we truly believe, at least at the moment. And overall one's life will be a result of whatever is their ultimate source of security, and object of allegiance, and of spiritual affection (their god). If it is the God of the Bible, then if acting according to it and in response to effectual faith in the risen Lord Jesus and the salvation thru His sinless shed blood, among other things, one will try to avoid being a burden to others [1], but instead be an instrument for good, to make positive changes for time and for eternity in the lives of others. [2]

Which - with dependence upon God as workers with Him [3] - includes showing mercy and compassion [4] relative to supply [4.5] and without burdening others who do not want to help, [5] but working to bring the needy to be productive, [6] and thus provide for his own as able, and penalizing those who refuse to, [7] [8] as well as those who do not reward those who are industrious, [9] and that only by striving lawfully, in accordance of true and Biblical principals, should one be rewarded [10] and find advancement, [11] though ultimately all good is owed to God. [12]

Leftist elites believe that they should not have to answer to anyone, and in lust for power seduce people with the constantly fostered victim entitlement mentality, with its perennial quest for justice for imagined or magnified injustices, by which leftist elites obtain power as pretentious savors, yet overall inculcating dependence upon themselves via the decline of character and the family unit.

While the secular mind can see the Biblical model is logical as beneficial for self and society in the long term, yet lacking any sure supreme moral standard the secular mind can be seduced into supposing that the propaganda of the Left is correct, as multitudes of well-meaning liberals do. Yet we see in the Bible that the devil is the originator of the "Occupy Movement" and its "Share the wealth" premise, of presuming position and or benefits without merit, nor as acts of mercy and grace, but as a matter of justice based upon a false pretext as being victims by not having what they presume they are entitled to, nor, nor worked for. [13] [14]

Whose end shall be just the opposite of those who effectually received mercy and grace in faith of the Lord who provided it, [15 ] by thereby seeking to be ministers of mercy and grace - and judgment - toward others. To the glory of God.

[1] But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another. For every man shall bear his own burden. (Galatians 6:4-5)
[2] Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. (Romans 6:13)
[3] We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain. (2 Corinthians 6:1) [4] And of some have compassion, making a difference: (Jude 22)
[4.5] Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy; That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate; (1 Timothy 6:17-18)
[5] Which have borne witness of thy charity before the church: whom if thou bring forward on their journey after a godly sort, thou shalt do well: Because that for his name’s sake they went forth, taking nothing of the Gentiles. (3 John 6-7)
[6] Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth. (Ephesians 4:28)
[7] But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel. (1 Timothy 5:8)
[8] For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat. (2 Thessalonians 3:10)
[9] For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward. (1 Timothy 5:18)
[10] And if a man also strive for masteries, yet is he not crowned, except he strive lawfully. (2 Timothy 2:5)
[11] Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. (John 10:1)
[12] But who am I, and what is my people, that we should be able to offer so willingly after this sort? for all things come of thee, and of thine own have we given thee. (1 Chronicles 29:14)
[13] How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. (Isaiah 14:12-15)
[14] But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. (Genesis 3:3-5)
[15 ] And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted. (Luke 18:13-14)
[16 ] We give thanks to God always for you all, making mention of you in our prayers; Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father; Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God. For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake. And ye became followers of us, and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Ghost: So that ye were ensamples to all that believe in Macedonia and Achaia. For from you sounded out the word of the Lord not only in Macedonia and Achaia, but also in every place your faith to God-ward is spread abroad; so that we need not to speak any thing. (1 Thessalonians 1:2-8)

12 posted on 03/05/2023 10:02:33 AM PST by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him who saves, be baptized + follow Him!)
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