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To: RatRipper

I agree completely.

I do not support Ukraine or Russia.

All I ask is people to do step back and take a look.

Is Ukraine winning?

No.

Is Russia winning?

Also no.

That’s right now.

If, when, later, next month, next year haven’t happened and no one knows what the situation will be later.

But right now, a bunch of people would get to live if both could agree to negotiate a settlement.

The USA government should be leading this.

Negotiating with Russia isn’t appeasement. Negotiating with Ukraine isn’t giving into Nazis.


26 posted on 02/21/2023 10:32:25 AM PST by Alas Babylon! (Gov't declaring misinformation is tyranny: “Who determines what false information is?” )
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To: Alas Babylon!

Concur, but

“The USA government should be leading this.”

They could have prevented it! But instead tuber head and the rest of the FedGov dared him, then left him no face-saving way out.

The US Gov clearly wanted all this to happen for some reason. They’re full throttle on making this as bad as possible.

Then they go and blow up that pipeline. Never seen anything like it.


31 posted on 02/21/2023 12:08:15 PM PST by Sarcazmo ("Sarcasm is the highest form of wit" ~ O. Wilde)
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To: Alas Babylon!

You are wrong. The Russian Federation is winning. Taking territory is not the primary objective; it is, as has been stated from the beginning, the demilitarization of Ukraine.

The Zelensky regime has been begging for weapons precisely because the Russian Federation destroyed most of the military equipment Ukraine began the war with by early summer. Ukraine was resupplied with a new army’s worth of equipment, and that was destroyed in the disasterous Kherson and Kharkov “offensives”, in which Ukraine lost brigades and brigades worth of men and equipment. The number of Ukrainian soldiers killed and wounded is astronomical, which is why Ukraine is now enlisting down to 16 year-olds and conscripting up to 60 year-olds. Women are being put into service, and men are being dragged off the streets and sent to the front with no training.

The Russians continue to destroy Ukrainian equipment, and Zelensky continues to demand more arms. Unfortunately for him, the West has been shown to have squandered it’s wealth on the welfare state and our militaries are nearly hollowed out, as is also the case with our ability to manufacture arms. There is almost nothing we can spare now to send Ukraine in the way of ammunition or other arms.

Demands for tanks and aircraft are idiotic because of the time it takes to train on these systems so they can even theoretically be used effectively. It’s theoretical because those weapons systems can’t be used effectively except in combined arms campaigns, which Ukraine cannot support (not nearly enough artillery, air defense systems, ammunition, etc.), and the West can’t provide them in any relevant time frame.

The Russians have been content to take their time. They pound strongly fortified Ukrainian positions with massive firepower day after day, and then they send in the their tanks and infantry to finish the job. Most of the time the Ukrainians keep feeding reserves into the positions they are trying to hold, and the Russians continue the destruction with their artillery. If, as the Russians say, the Ukrainians want to continue “running to the knife” the Russians are content to continue with their target practice.

It will not be long before the AFU collapses somewhere along the line of contact, and the Russians will then move, having preserved its men and equipment. How much territory will the Russians take? In March they would have settled for recognition of Crimea and semi-autonomy for the Donbass. Now, given the extent of Western intervention, who knows? Perhaps the line will be drawn along the Dnieper from the north and sweep around to the south to Transnistria.

BTW, keep an eye on Transnistria and Moldova. Kiev is trying to pull Moldovans into the war so Ukrainians can seize Transnistria. Why? Because the largest ammo dumps in Europe are there full of Soviet era ammunition that Ukraine desperately needs because the West is unable to supply ammunition in the quantities needed. Of course, the propaganda line is that the Russians are planning to takeover Moldova. While it is likely that a majority of Moldovans support the Russian Federation, look at a map. At this stage of the game there is no point for the Russians to add another theatre of war, certainly one far behind Ukrainian lines that would involve very difficult logistics. Ukraine, on the other hand, is right on the border of Transnistria/Moldova and has an existential imperative to invade. My guess is that Ukraine will collaborate with the West-friendly Moldovan government to fabricate claims of an attempted Russian coup as a pretext for military action. There may be a coup, but if there is it will be because the the Moldovan people lack food and heat - no Russians needed. In any event, the Russians will have to do something to prevent Ukraine from seizing the ammunition in Transnistria.

This is a US proxy war against the Russian Federation that should never have happened. If the American people had been asked if we wanted to foment a war in Ukraine the answer would have been a resounding “No.”


35 posted on 02/21/2023 12:58:46 PM PST by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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