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To: Signalman

As I have previously stated, “Nikki Haley is not an Art. II, §1, cl. 5 natural-born citizen.”
All too often, many U.S. citizens and courts believe if your U.S. citizenship was acquired at birth without the need to go through the naturalization process, you are a natural-born U.S. Citizen. Here’s the problem, that opinion allows for dual allegiances, precisely what the founders and framers of the U.S. Constitution were trying to avoid in 1776, namely, British allegiance to England at birth in the American colonies.
In eighteenth-century legal parlance, ‘natural’ meant the opposite of ‘provided by statute’ (hence ‘natural law,’ ‘natural rights,’ ‘natural-born’). There is nothing natural about statutorily created citizenship at birth or by an oath after birth; the state bestows both.
By the rule of statutory construction: “Citizens of the United States from birth” is not synonymous with Art. II, §I, Cl. 5 natural born citizens. In general, a general clause (i.e., Citizens of the United States at birth — 14th Amendment) can not govern a specific clause (i.e., No Person except a natural born Citizen — Art. II, §I, Cl. 5). Unless Congress has specifically stated via its constitutional authority that “All citizens at birth are natural born citizens,” the court MUST give each clause a separate legal effect.
Back in 1788 when the U.S. Constitution was ratified, under the exclusive-citizenship theory, ‘consent to be governed’ at birth was accomplished by the transfer of allegiance of the child’s citizen-father. After the 19th Amendment was adopted, again, to avoid dual allegiances at birth, both parents were required to be U.S. citizens before their offspring could be considered natural U.S. citizens at birth. This is precisely what one would expect if the founders and framers of the U.S. Constitution intended to combine the presidency (an elected position) with the Commander in chief of the nation’s armed forces (an appointed position).


10 posted on 02/14/2023 8:22:49 AM PST by batazoid (me )
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To: batazoid
"NIKKI IS NOT ELIGIBLE!!! HER PARENTS WEREN'T CITIZENS WHEN SHE WAS BORN!!! EMER DE VATTEL, A SWISS LAWYER, WROTE IN 1758 THAT PARENTS MUST BE CITIZENS!!! LEO DONOFRIO TOLD ME SO!!! HE'S A FAMOUS CONSTITUTIONAL SCHOLAR ON THE INTERNET!!!"

Sorry bro. Nobody's buying it.

20 posted on 02/14/2023 8:33:00 AM PST by Drew68 (Ron DeSantis for President 2024)
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To: batazoid

Barry Obummer set the precedent for a non-US Citizen being elected as POTUS; Haley’s a follower on his coattails.


35 posted on 02/14/2023 9:15:45 AM PST by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: batazoid

Ms Haley was born in the USA. She did not need to go through the naturalization process.


37 posted on 02/14/2023 9:21:11 AM PST by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: batazoid
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Right. She's ineligible. Same as Barack Hussein Soetoro 0dinga WTF 0bama.

The Ruling Class does not care.

49 posted on 02/14/2023 10:30:25 AM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: batazoid

IF I MAY ADD. IN DIFFERENT WORDS. IF YOU ARE BORN AND CAN HAVE DUAL CITIZENSHIP OR CITIZENSHIP IN ANOTHER COUNTRY YOU ARE NOT NATURALLY BORN OF EITHER OR ANY COUNTRY, BECAUSE YOU HAVE OPTIONS. IN THE LETTER FROM JOHN JAY AND WASHINGTON IT IS CLEAR THEY DIDN’T WANT SPLIT ALLIEGENCES FOR THE COMMANDER OF THE ARMIES.

Vattel writing in the mid 18th century defined NBC as born in country to two citizen parents.

Historically, most countries required either the father or both parents to be citizens to be Natural Born. Obama, Cruz, Jindal, Haley among those not NBC.

It would be hard to imagine the founders wanted the son of a British citizen to be commander in chief after the revolutionary war.


56 posted on 02/14/2023 4:58:17 PM PST by coalminersson
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