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To: MtnClimber

“they’ve already gotten our incandescent light bulbs and flush toilets in many quarters.”

Red Herrings BOTH!

Low flow toilets saves us BILLIONS and BILLIONS of gallons of fresh water and produced BILLIONS and BILLIONS of gallons less sewage.

A VERY GOOD thing.

Incandescent light bulbs are little better than candles! The LED lights are a DRAMATIC step forward in saving energy and money. The incandescent light bulbs are a YUGE waste of energy!


26 posted on 01/18/2023 6:52:37 AM PST by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts )
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To: faucetman
Low flow toilets saves us BILLIONS and BILLIONS of gallons of fresh water and produced BILLIONS and BILLIONS of gallons less sewage.

I went to Canada to get regular flush toilets when I built our home in northern Illinois. We were adjacent to a flood plain, got plenty of rain, and got our water from a well on our land and sewage went back into our overbuilt septic. In fact, using too little water is NOT great for septic systems. There was no waste of water because it came from our land and went back into our land.

Flushing twice doesn't help, either.

Incandescent bulbs generate heat as well as light, so that energy is NOT wasted in colder areas half the year. The fluorescent lights send my brother-in-law into epileptic seizures. The LEDs have finally gotten much better, but don't need a regulation to get people to adopt them.

We didn't need regulations to go from CRT monitors to the superior LCD flat screens for TVs and desktop computers. People will buy a better product when it is ready for them at a price that makes sense.
31 posted on 01/18/2023 8:09:31 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (But yet the Son of man, when he cometh, shall he find, think you, faith on earth? (Luke 18:8))
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To: faucetman

You miss the point. Solutions by Government mandate from planners instead of engineers carefully reacting to demands and available technology made both of those switchovers ineffective and problematic.

There was a period of ten years where we flushed twice instead of once because the damn mandated toilets did not work. Why didn’t they work? Because they were not yet engineered to work due t sudden mandate. We wasted time and then not only bought those revised toilets but then had to replace them with low water toilets that did work long before they should have needed replacement — wastefulness to the max.

Bulbs were the same. The first ten years were poor quality, expensive and wasteful in cost. It is the government mandate that is the problem, not the concept but the implementation.


33 posted on 01/18/2023 9:07:17 AM PST by KC Burke
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