Posted on 01/04/2023 6:13:23 AM PST by Red Badger
It’s simple. Show some evidence that the rate of these deaths has risen since the vaccines.
Several countries have shown excess mortality. How much is due to Covid versus the vaccine? Who knows But I have seen statistics with the excess mortality is greater for younger males. If you are waiting for the CDC to draw the conclusion it is the vaccine, you will wait a long time.
The difference is we have a huge surveillance operation managed by the CDC and FDA designed to identify vaccine harm.
Every death reported to VAERS is investigated, including looking at medical histories, death certificates, etc. To date exactly 9 deaths have been attributed to the vaccines, and all of these to the J&J version.
Zero deaths have been attributed to the mRNA vaccines.
We've given shots to over a quarter of a billion people in the US and have 9 verified deaths.
I suppose this guy could be the first one, but I think it's at least as likely his cardiac arrest could be related to the blow to the chest he took right before he collapsed.
I'm not pretending to know exactly what happened, just responding to the anti-vaxers who think they do.
Yes, exactly. Damaged lungs are inefficient at gas exchange, so higher O2 levels are required. Also, if there is brain or heart damage, or even if you want to prevent damage, it is essential to get as much O2 to those tissues as possible. A healthy paO2 level is 95-100%. (That’s what they measure with the little finger clip in the doc’s office.) That’s monitored constantly in ventilated patients, and the ventilator settings are calibrated to keep it within that range.
They've always been reported but in the past they remained mostly minor stories of local interest.
Now anti-vaxers scour the web to find these articles, post them everywhere on social media and on forums like FR, and make people think the incidence has increased.
I don't think it has, which is why I keep asking for data.
Sadly, the only way the public will see the truth about the clot shot is when 'famous' people start dying on prime-time tv at the rate of one or two a month.
Every time someone gets a booster, their risk of dying from stroke/heart failure goes up. And NFL players would have taken at least three clot shots by now. Ditto for basketball players.
What are they going to do when basketball players start dropping on the court? They won't be able to use the "blunt force trauma" lie that they're pushing now.
A work colleague of mine died 7 years ago from what these shyster doctors are saying happened to Hamlin. He was cutting down a tree. It missed him when it fell, but it bounced off the ground into his chest. That's the kind of blunt-force trauma that kills you in that way. It also happens in car wrecks where the driver's chest goes into the steering wheel, or at a baseball game where the batter hits the ball straight into a person's chest.
We have a huge politicized machine to deny and cover up vaccine harm. There, I corrected your claim. The actual surveillance of vaccine harm is called VAERS and it shows only a fraction of massive harm.
Meanwhile excess deaths continue at a frantic rate from unexplained cardiac arrest. It is now the top cause of death in the UK and Canada and number 2 in the USA. People’s hearts stopping suddenly - with no explanation. Their only commonality - all received MRNA vaccines. Kindly explain the cause if not MRNA shots.
I know 2 vaccine injured people personally - one with myocarditis and one with a massive stroke. Healthy, normal people. On Friday Inwill attend the funeral of a colleague - a healthy hearty 44 year old. Dropped dead at home of cardiac arrest. UNKNOWN CAUSES! So you think what you want and I’ll think what I want, ok?
And yeah NO vaccine deaths have been recorded. And China has only 5000 covid deaths reported. Both figures are equally ludicrous. You believe in government statistics fine, that is your right as a credulous, non-critical thinking type, you’re the majority of the planet. Enjoy the confirmation bias, you’ll get plenty of others nodding their heads along with you.
I don't think you can back that statement up. Where can I find this data?
You believe in government statistics fine, that is your right as a credulous, non-critical thinking type, you’re the majority of the planet.
Where is your excess death rate in Canada and the UK coming from.
Surely not their governments, right?
What about the reported increases in deaths from insurance companies?
They show higher than expected deaths across the ages, but especially in younger, “healthier” individuals.
“We’ve given shots to over a quarter of a billion people in the US and have 9 verified deaths.”
Where’d you get that stat? VAERS? Just curious.
“Zero deaths have been attributed to the mRNA vaccines.
“We’ve given shots to over a quarter of a billion people in the US and have 9 verified deaths.”
That’s so funny.
Those need to be a cause for concern and reviewed further, no doubt.
I gave you data.
Anti-vaxers are not “scouring” the web. The MSM has to report the sport deaths because too many people are in the audience for them not to report them.
The difference is we have a huge surveillance operation managed by the CDC and FDA designed to identify vaccine harm....
so you believe proven liars...roflmao...
I asked for data showing an increase in sudden cardiac deaths among athletes. The subject of this thread.
That isn't what you provided.
Thx....hhmmm...that is deaths from J&J...any reports on other mfgs..ie Pfizer, et al?
They're all in there. The 660M doses includes everything.
No deaths have been attributed to the mRNA vaccines.
Data is not maintained in that detail.
Health Canada and ONS in England. I do believe their raw statistics on all-cause mortality. That’s kind of impossible to conceal. It’s the numbers on vaccine deaths that I challenged, remember? Not all deaths in all categories.
Look I know this is hard to believe. But people can ignore all kinds of stats including scientists. It first became apparent to me that nutrition studies and stats are wildly off e.g. cholesterol and fat intake doesn’t explain heart attacks. Once I realized how fragile science and human honesty are , it’s entirely believable that these vaccine stats too would be simply ignored and glossed over. Climate stats are wildly wrong and misleading. Science is often wildly wrong and misleading, in hindsight.
I’m no anti vax type. I’ve had every vaccine under the sun including Pfizer. I strongly believe in scientific method, reason above all. This whole thing stinks to high heaven. There is a long long history of death from vaccine and conflict between population and government. Started right with the smallpox vaccine. Some people would die of it, doctors said no it didn’t happen. Sure that vaccine saved lives and so does this one - but they aso TAKE LIVES. Medicines have risks and horrific effects. All kinds of drugs cause deaths. You really believe mrna never, ever does? Even aspirin kills some people!
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