Posted on 12/26/2022 7:04:39 AM PST by delta7
You are the one who wrote a garbled subjective alternate history in your post #33. I can back up everything I wrote in my post. You can’t back up yours because it’s flat wrong. I don’t dispute your main point that Zelensky is doing the best he knows how and is able to do for Ukraine, given the constraints imposed upon him — although I might add a “perhaps” to that because of certain unknowns.
Ukrainians elected him and threw out Putin’s puppets who were the corrupt politicians prior to the Orange Revolution.
He’s the guy they have now, and IMHO he’s doing what he has to do to help his nation survive this invasion. He’ll cozy up to the worst of folks, including Biden, if they help him.
It doesn’t mean Ukraine hadn’t been corrupt. It doesn’t mean Zelensky is George Washington. But they could have done a lot worse.
Link: https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/4118966/posts?page=33#33
Fact: Zelensky was not elected as a result of the Orange Revolution of 2004. Zelensky, like all Ukrainian politicians, is corrupt. See: Pandora Papers. He was groomed for power and financed by corrupt oligarch Kolomoisky. He was elected in 2019.
Fact: The president before Zelensky was Poroshenko, who was elected as a result of the Maidan putsch. Poroshenko was a corrupt oligarch, but he was not a Putin puppet in any way, shape or form, but was naturally antagonistic toward Russia after the events of 2014 what with Russia swiping Crimea, etc. He was our guy.
Fact: The president before Poroshenko was SBU head Turchynov, who filled in as acting president for a few months after the putsch ousted President Yanukovich, whom the neocons claim was a Putin puppet. He wasn’t really, as evidenced by some of his actions. Like Yushchenko before him, Yanukovich tried to court both EU/NATO and Russia/CIS — arguably a wise course for Ukraine, but unlike Yushchenko was forced to choose between a rather bad deal offered by the EU vs a sweet deal offered by Russia. He was ousted in the 2014 Maidan putsch.
Fact: The president before Yanukovich was Yushchenko. He was brought to power by way of the Orange Revolution in 2004. He appeared two be somewhat less corrupt than some other Ukrainian politicians, including those in his own coalition (with whom he went on the outs), but was hardly squeaky clean. There were credible allegations that his campaign was financed by Russian oligarch Berezovsky. He courted both EU/NATO and Russia/CIS — arguably a wise course for Ukraine. He also pandered to western Ukrainian nationalists, and declared Bandera a Hero of Ukraine.
Very well said. That same bunch bought into Biden’s vax hoax and shut downs. Weak, weak and fearful. They have put their trust in a senile, evil , corrupted old man sitting in the White House, and they don’t have the sense to figure it out.
Our suicide wish just may be granted.
Quite bizarre even for Armstrong. Donetsk before 2014 was #1 city in Ukraine by living standards (Kyiv, Ukrainian capital, was #2). Russians in Eastern Ukraine are overwhelmingly anti-Putin and anti-Russian meddling. When takeover started in 2014 Azov resistance militia was formed - and it was and remains majority ethnic Russians (with their first commander being an orthodox rabbi). Most of Azov personnel does not speak fluent Ukrainian.
Zelensky still speaks Ukrainian with accent and often in need of being helped with this or that word. If anyone involved in ethnic cleansing of Russians in Ukraine that would be Putin’s army, which systematically destroys cities populated by ethnic Russians and expels their population.
The absence of support for Putin’s invasion now caused Russian propaganda to call ethnic Russians in Ukraine “vlasovtsy”, a term that defined 3rd Reich allied Russians.
I usually stay out of the childish sub-threads but I must say that acting and posting like a teenage girl whose feeling got hurt does very little to further your argument that the war in Ukraine is entirely the fault of Russia.
Should the war go nuclear it is likely to escalate to an ICBM exchange. Russia has already stated that London is a very likely first target. I just don't think Ukraine's eastern border is worth fighting ww3. We really should be saving our ammo for the coming fight with the CCP.
I guess Zelensky told Biden,I’m leaving at 8 pm and if I don’t get the billions of dollars,I’m going to tell the truth about Hunter and your corruption
There was less opinion and gobbledegook in your second post, but my statement was “ Ukrainians elected him and threw out Putin’s puppets who were the corrupt politicians prior to the Orange Revolution.”
Those were two different events separated by time.
It’s fact that prior to the Orange Revolution there were Kremlin backed, corrupt elected officials in Ukraine.
I doubt it’ll come to that. NATO countries have Nukes also not just the U.K.
Israel is a Nuclear Nation.
Russia would be hit far worse than they can dish out.
The cost of the war in Ukraine has already exceeded what it should.
There are paths to victory that NATO and the U.S. aren’t willing to take.
Allow Ukraine to strike inside of Russia.
And train Ukrainian pilots to fly NATO American made Jet Fighters and A-10s.
The war would be over quickly. Putin might very well end up getting tossed for another President.
And an fyi, Zelensky is black mailing Biden. I expect it all to come out.
Americans did not give a damn about Ukraine's eastern border with Russia. Until the neocons started their pro Ukraine anti Russian propaganda.
Hard to believe how easily Americans are fooled by our media/gov/industrial complex. Ike was right.
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