Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article


1 posted on 12/25/2022 7:45:18 AM PST by SeekAndFind
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies ]


To: SeekAndFind
According to historian David Wyn Jones, who wrote a delightful piece about that here:

In the autumn of 1823, when Beethoven was worked hard on the composition of the Ninth Symphony, he was visited by an Englishman, Edward Schultz. The conversation turned to composers that Beethoven admired. Expecting Beethoven to give priority to composers from his immediate tradition, such as Haydn and Mozart, Schultz was both surprised and delighted with the unequivocal response: ‘Handel is the greatest, the ablest composer that ever lived’. When Schultz tried to bring Mozart’s name into the conversation Beethoven’s response was an impatient one: ‘In a monarchy we know who is the first’.

This is one of many complimentary remarks that Beethoven made about Handel, reflecting a view that he had held for much of his life. But it was not an unusual one in the Vienna of the time. Handel’s music enjoyed a presence in the musical life of the city that was equal to that of Haydn, Mozart and Beethoven, even though the composer had died half a century earlier and had never even visited the city.


Imagine that kind of praise ... which Handel didn't live long enough to hear ... from a utter giant like Beethoven.
2 posted on 12/25/2022 7:46:56 AM PST by SeekAndFind
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: SeekAndFind
"Will there ever be anything greater?"

Yes. Bach's St. Matthew Passion.

4 posted on 12/25/2022 7:55:25 AM PST by Savage Beast (Americans DESPISE the corrupt elites, their media toadies and their corruption of the US government!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: SeekAndFind
Messiah is certainly one of humanity's greatest achievements. There are many. The Orestaia, the Bhagavad Gita, the dramas of Sophocles and Euripides and Shakespeare, the entire works of Western music from the Renaissance to today come immediately to mind. There's nothing wrong with pop songs, but for me, nothing is more magnificent, nothing lifts me higher into the realms of angels and the possibilities of human achievement more than fine art and the finest that people have already so far achieved. Pop tunes are okay for the grocery store, but when I get home I want Messiah or something of that quality.
7 posted on 12/25/2022 8:05:19 AM PST by Savage Beast (Americans DESPISE the corrupt elites, their media toadies and their corruption of the US government!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: SeekAndFind

One reason is it’s an opera on English, so it’s easy on the ears. The Isiah verses are short but powerful.


8 posted on 12/25/2022 8:15:04 AM PST by Fido969 (45 is Superman! )
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: SeekAndFind

Let George ‘Handel’ it!

Other works on his ‘Grand & Beautiful’ List include;
*Water Music- Suite #2.
*Concerto for Organ F maj. aka The Cuckoo & The Nightingale
*Arrival of Queen Sheba

****Fireworks Music - Concerto No.26 (known to knock one’s socks off!)


9 posted on 12/25/2022 8:18:06 AM PST by lee martell
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: SeekAndFind

Messiah sung by the choir of New College, Oxford:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyXewGfDx5l1g9KKCzWTNalsdynvUAI8v


10 posted on 12/25/2022 8:18:51 AM PST by Czech_Occidentalist
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: SeekAndFind

Divine Inspiration


11 posted on 12/25/2022 8:30:23 AM PST by NonValueAdded ("There should have been an age and risk stratification approach." still true)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: SeekAndFind

My favorite Christmas music:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt9eTSf9tFE


13 posted on 12/25/2022 8:56:28 AM PST by JBW1949 (I'm really PC.....Patriotically Correct)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: SeekAndFind

>>Handel’s Messiah” oratorio, including the powerfully beautiful Christmas-oriented “For unto us a child is born” based on the writings of the Prophet Isaiah, and the soaringly magnificent Hallelujah Chorus.<<

Exquisite—and Handel knew it as (and after) he wrote it!

“I know my Savior liveth” gets me every time...

A German speaker advised the name written Händel (umlaut—ä—added) is an English-speakers construct.


14 posted on 12/25/2022 8:59:02 AM PST by Does so (It's not OUR guns...It's YOUR sons!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: SeekAndFind

The main problem is that the Hallelujah Chorus is an Easter song. It’s from the Easter section of the Messiah.

There are so many great Christmas songs in the Christmas part of the Messiah that should be sung instead.


21 posted on 12/25/2022 10:04:39 AM PST by Conan the Librarian (Conan the Sailing Librarian)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: SeekAndFind
As someone who has both sung in and conducted numerous performances of the "Hallelujah Chorus," Messiah has to be taken as a whole; otherwise the context of the chorus is lost.

Having said that, my personal favorite of the whole oratorio is its finale, Worthy is the Lamb; the Amen fugal chorus brings me to tears, for it is when, as Eric Liddell put it, I feel His pleasure.

22 posted on 12/25/2022 10:05:00 AM PST by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: SeekAndFind
Some thoughts on why Handel's Messiah at Christmas is so compelling

Because the words are, all and only, scripture.

23 posted on 12/25/2022 10:52:08 AM PST by Lee N. Field ("He will swallow up death forever" Isaiah 25)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: SeekAndFind

My favorite part: “And He shall reign forever and ever. Hallelujah, hallelujah!”

Merry Christmas, Free Republic.


24 posted on 12/25/2022 11:22:35 AM PST by D_Idaho ("For we wrestle not against flesh and blood...")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: SeekAndFind
On long drives, my grandchildren and I take turns selecting music to play. A huge variety comes up, from heavy metal, to Japanese pop, and everything else. They surprise me sometimes with popular music from the 1950s, '60s, et al. I had no idea they knew who Bing Crosby was! I love learning the kind of music they like; it helps me understand them.

But my turn always gravitates to music of the highest standards, and Handel's music is regularly among it.

After experimentaling with everything else, the children too tend to gravitate to music of the highest standard.

MERRY CHRISTMAS, EVERYONE! AND HAPPY NEW YEAR! Being sapiophilic, I naturally married an extremely intelligent wife. Our children have always been exposed to highly intellectual experiences. My grandson, fourteen years old, read Kafka's Metamorphosis, something I have never been able to understand, and explained it to me. Children love to have their intellects challenged.

I had to work very hard in college and graduate school. I was afraid not to. I also worked very hard until I retired. When I retired, at age 53, I was tired of working hard and especially of thinking hard. What was the first thing I did? I enrolled as a full time freshman college student, taking a full freshman load. To my amazement--I had learned to love studying! I worked as hard as I've ever worked--demanded and made all A's. I never stopped studying and working hard. I love it. I studied everything from computers, geology, genetics, French, German, music, martial arts, horseback riding, Oriental mysticism...what am I leaving out? And I took my family and all the children on many, many long trips all over the world, hired expert guides--and they paid attention. In the many photos, the children are on the front row paying careful attention. My children are absolutely fabulous. Sweet, kind, truthful--wonderful in every way. I have been so blessed, and I look forward to even greater blessings in the life to come. We all can.

29 posted on 12/25/2022 12:20:33 PM PST by Savage Beast (Americans DESPISE the corrupt elites, their media toadies and their corruption of the US government!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: SeekAndFind

It’s a masterpiece.


30 posted on 12/25/2022 2:40:27 PM PST by Rob_Henry
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: SeekAndFind

Anything better?

Bach - Christmas Oratorio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98UjjwzJBFE&t=4191s


31 posted on 12/25/2022 4:19:46 PM PST by Captain Compassion (I'm just sayin')
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson