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1 posted on 11/07/2022 10:05:49 AM PST by grundle
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The word “homosexual” itself was not coined until the late 19th century. My unabridged Oxford English dictionary (1971) only includes it in the supplement, and traces an early reference to that pervert Havelock Ellis in 1897.

Perversion, invert, crime against nature, sodomy, “That sin which shall not be spoken of”, etc. were used instead.

The Catholic Douay-Rheims and the Protestant original King James Version certainly do not use that word, but the intent is clear.

The primary difference between the word homosexual and these other terms is that homosexual usually describes an inclination or predisposition, where as the others focus on the acts, which are intrinsically evil. So, a sodomite is one who performs an act of sodomy. Whether it is as a cruel parody of natural carnal relations or as an act of dominance as in some prisons or Lawrence of Arabia makes less difference. One who WANTS to perform such an act would be as off as someone who WANTS to rob a bank or set a house on fire. The indulgence of such thoughts is wrong and dangerous (cf. Matthew 5:27).

It is also an act of hubris to believe that a modern English Bible translation had any significant affect to make more strict an understanding that is included in those denominations that take the Bible seriously, plus traditional Judaism and Islam (Pakistanis fascination with boys notwithstanding) and even numerous pagan religions. Besides that, English Common Law was well-established in this regard for centuries before 1946.

This reminds me of those sodomy-friendly “theologians” who claim that the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah was “inhospitality”.


35 posted on 11/07/2022 10:34:15 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (What was 35% of the Rep. Party is now 85%. And it’s too late to turn back—Mac Stipanovich )
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You don’t need a Bible to figure out homosexuals are destructive. A visit to San Francisco is all you need. They turned the most beautiful city in America into a cesspool.


36 posted on 11/07/2022 10:34:52 AM PST by Nateman (If Mohammad was not the Anti Christ he definitely comes in as a Strong second..)
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https://www.holy-trinity.org/morality/homosexuality.html

And I believe that the first chapter of Romans is pretty clear on this subject! NO mistranslation possible!!!!


37 posted on 11/07/2022 10:38:02 AM PST by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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Leviticus words it as “uncovering nakedness”, when referring to illicit sex with a family member. As far as homosexuality, Lev. 18:22 “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination”. Whether you call it that, or call it homosexuality, it means the same thing.


38 posted on 11/07/2022 10:38:12 AM PST by Flaming Conservative ((Pray withSout ceasing)y)
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I remember having an argument with a homosexual back in the late 70’s. He used that lame line that the Bible said love your neighbor. I responded by stating it didn’t mean giving your neighbor the back door treatment. He didn’t really have a response other than I was not being kind. I said something like... Well, you’re right, I wasn’t and didn’t mean to be.


41 posted on 11/07/2022 10:42:20 AM PST by john drake (Lucius Accius-Roman,170 BC - "oderint dum metuant" translated "Let them hate so long as they fear")
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Someone didn’t tell the author of that piece about Leviticus 18 verse 22.

That’s originally in Hebrew, not Greek, and says that it is an abomination to lie with a man as one would a woman.


42 posted on 11/07/2022 10:43:32 AM PST by WildHighlander57 ((the more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.) )
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This scholar ably explains the origin and meaning of the New Testament word ‘arsenokoitoi’ the very term at question:

https://www.crossway.org/articles/what-does-arsenokoitai-mean/

The clip is just over two minutes and is well worth the time invested.


43 posted on 11/07/2022 10:46:43 AM PST by Srednik (Polyglot. Overeducated. Redeemed by Christ. Anticommunist from the womb.)
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Homosexual behavior is an abomination in the eyes of the Lord. It may not be called homosexuality, but the behavior is clearly defined. And guess what, so is transgenderism. That too is defined as an abomination in Deuteronomy.


44 posted on 11/07/2022 10:52:04 AM PST by ConservativeInPA ( Scratch a leftist and you'll find a fascist )
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Except it is irrelevant when Paul says this in Romans 1…..

Romans 1:26-27 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

Nobody needs to hair split over the use of words when the descriptions are accurate enough..


45 posted on 11/07/2022 10:53:46 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith….)
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If a condemnation of homosexual acts is new to the Bible, why do Orthodox Jews consider these acts to be sinful?
46 posted on 11/07/2022 10:57:28 AM PST by quadrant (1o mercyflush)
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Even if you’re right, it doesn’t matter: the word of God is definitive on this issue, regardless of what you call it, God forbids it and defines it as an “ABOMINATION.”


47 posted on 11/07/2022 11:01:27 AM PST by evangmlw
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Homosexuality is a biological dead end.


48 posted on 11/07/2022 11:02:22 AM PST by Leep (Hillary will NEVER be president! 😁)
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This a situation where they use the bible to disprove the bible.

Otherwise,nowhere does the bible say, be fruitful and sodomize one another.


51 posted on 11/07/2022 11:06:37 AM PST by Leep (Hillary will NEVER be president! 😁)
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another “1619 Project”!


52 posted on 11/07/2022 11:06:58 AM PST by dirtymac ( Now Is The Time For All Good Men To ComeTo The Aid Of Their Country! NOW) )
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The word “transgender” doesn’t appear in the Bible yet it’s still an abomination.


53 posted on 11/07/2022 11:09:40 AM PST by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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WRONG.


56 posted on 11/07/2022 11:11:10 AM PST by beethovenfan (The REAL Great Reset will be when Jesus returns. )
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Lol...we wuz Queens!


59 posted on 11/07/2022 11:16:02 AM PST by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera )
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Nope, homosexuality and effeminism is clearly labeled as a sin and an abomination to God without error nor able to be given to alternate interpretation, throughout the untainted history of scripture, which being inspired by God, has no mistakes.


60 posted on 11/07/2022 11:17:25 AM PST by Rainwave ("Work out your OWN salvation with fear and trembling")
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My understanding is that the word homosexual did not come into existence till the last half of the 19th century so it’s no surprise that it isn’t in older translations of the Bible and wasn’t used in an English translation of the Bible till 1946.


61 posted on 11/07/2022 11:18:23 AM PST by KrisKrinkle (c)
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Sorry but nonsense, Pretty damn clear where the Bible stands on homosexuality... KJV written in 1611.. While the actual word homosexual didn’t even exist until 1868..

The bible is quite clear in multiple places about homosexuality being sinful.

While someone is free to reject Christianity, these folks lying about what the Bible says quite clearly about homosexuality needs to be called out.

Some Old Testament:

Leviticus 18:22 - Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

And some New Testament:

Romans 1:27 - And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.


63 posted on 11/07/2022 11:22:51 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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