Posted on 10/16/2022 5:22:46 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
Update from Ukraine: Oct 16, 2022 Update from Ukraine | Ruzzians are running from Kherson | Iran sends rockets | Ukraine needs ATACMS
Also, you may check military maps here: https://militaryland.net/ https://militaryland.net/news/invasion-day-234-summary/
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More corrupt than russia...?
“As John Mearsheimer cautioned us in September 2015, “the West is leading Ukraine down the primrose path, and the end result is that Ukraine is going to get wrecked.” “
“The Primrose Path to Catastrophe”
https://americanmind.org/salvo/the-primrose-path-to-catastrophe/
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“In the face of Western reports that Russia is on its heels and retreating, the facts on the ground tell a different story.”
“What is Russia Planning to do next in Ukraine?”
https://sonar21.com/what-is-russia-planning-to-do-next/
Don’t ask me.
Ask those media sources that you all so steadily utilize and that printed and asserted such, kthx.
“MSM Confirms Ukraine Crisis in Bakhmut; Ukraine Kherson Defeat; Putin Makes Hint of End of Ukraine”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9WZYq1ebus
I asked for quotations from Ukrainian officials or political leaders. Can you back up your claim that they are Nazis with any statements that they have made?
As for the Azov Battalion, much the same can be said of Putin’s Wagner Group, which uses a death head as its logo and whose commander has a swastika tattoo. Does that make Putin a Nazi too?
Btw, the Wikipedia article doesn’t say what you think it says. While it admits neo-Nazis in Azov’s creation, it also cites purging of neo-Nazi members when the battalion entered the National Guard.
“Woke NATO Gets Whacked in Former Ukraine then Whines Again. Embarrassing - Oct 16, 2022 Update”
https://rumble.com/v1obl28-woke-nato-got-whacked-in-former-ukraine-then-whines-again.-embarrassing-oct.html
People are slowly waking up to the Ukraine is winning, Ukraine is blah, blah, etc. BS, just a matter of time before all of it crashes back in the faces of many, many here within FR, in the US, EU, UK, and NATO.
“A Pew Research poll shows that the share of Americans who are extremely or very concerned about a Ukrainian defeat fell from 55 percent in May to 38 percent in September.”
“Biden scrambles to avert cracks in pro-Ukraine coalition”
https://archive.ph/Uckd9#selection-273.0-273.56
It was a rhetorical question.
Do your own research into those quotes, if you dare.
Otherwise, stop asking people to do the work for you.
Wasn’t for me.....
You are asking the defense to prove the prosecutor’s case?!?! 🙄 It’s up to the person making the claim to provide the evidence. I don’t believe that such statements exist. Prove me wrong.
Wrong, Q boy. What you’re propagating as a “swastika” has been debunked and ID’d as a Celtic knot image, and you damned well know it.
Now go do something useful and go start a Q thread.
Unfortunately most freepers do not understand that Putin’s original mission for the “special military operation” was rather limited to the exact things he publicly specified. Independence for the Donbass (though still being in Ukraine) demilitarization (getting rid of the NATO equipment) denazification (despite ignorant freepers confusing some of the public in many countries being Nazis...including ours...with Ukraine’s government and MILITARY being controlled by NAZIs.) And, of course an agreement to never join NATO.
Most freepers do not even know that when early in Zelensky’s administration he tried to push back on them they openly threatened to kill him...he backed down. Most freepers also don’t know that we deliberately chose the Nazi’s (nationalists, Azov, etc.) to train and to send to the front in the Donbass because they were the most brutal and most likely to get the job done.
Any country that has Nazi brigades (and Ukraine has a lot of them) is a Nazi administration.
So, Russia planned a minimal kinetic action and openly made clear they would leave Ukraine once the mission was accomplished. Russia began negotiations with Zelensky, they reached a tentative agreement in March and Boris Johnson and Lloyd Austin paid visits to Zelensky to tell him that if he went through with the agreement they would no longer support Ukraine. But, if they stayed in the “war” NATO would provide all the weapons and money he needed. He chose their offer over Russia’s.
Russia continued the “operation” making slow gains with few casualties, killed an enormously large amount of Ukrainian soldiers and destroyed an enormous amount of military equipment.
When that happened NATO (read: the United States) realized Russia would win, couldn’t let that happen and escalated their monetary and equipment support, even bringing Ukrainians into NATO countries for training to NATO standards. Ukraine engaged in 7 mobilizations. And developing high paid mercenary programs to enlarge the force. And Mi-6 worked with Ukraine to go on a large counter offensive at multiple points. (They planned and trained for this for 3 months.) At that point Russia had 150,000 troops in Ukraine and Ukraine forces were up to 400,000.
Russia came to the realization that this wasn’t a Russia vs. Ukraine war. This was a Russia vs. NATO war. Since that point they have been readjusting to the new reality.
If they were able to take 20% of Ukrainian territory with very minimal forces, obviously their advantage is likely to be much greater when they have approximately 500,000 troops involved. They have expanded their arsenal extensively including the items I mentioned earlier...and brought in 800 new tanks, 11 strategic bombers. 800 planes and helos. They are planning for a big campaign.
And the nonsense about Russia’s mobilized troops being so inferior is wrong. These newly mobilized troops are all former troops who were on Reserve classification. And, even more important than that is that Ukraine forces have been decimated. The kill ratio throughout this “war” has been 10 Ukrainians for every one Russian. Ukraine is down to conscripting 16 yr. olds and 65 year olds and they are in the process of registering women.
If you have been following this saga I am sure you realize that just in the last week Russia has knocked out much of Ukraine’s energy system.
The foreigners who are “getting out of Dodge” are making the right call. Ukraine is not someplace anyone will want to be when the ground freezes in November.
Weak argument.
If you really wanted to know how or what Ukrainian officials believed or have said concerning their obvious neo-Nazi Banderist thinking, you would do the research yourself.
Otherwise, all your doing is playing a game.
“Show them sources and quotes”
Sources and quotes get shown.
“They are no good enough, blah, blah, blah.”
And the game goes on.
One truly seeking knowledge, information, etc. does the searching for such on their own......and then formulates their own conclusion(s).
Good read! Thanks for posting it. Hopefully certain Freepers will get informed sooner rather than later.
Worth repeating.....
.......”People are slowly waking up to the Ukraine is winning, Ukraine is blah, blah, etc. BS, just a matter of time before all of it crashes back in the faces of many, many here within FR, in the US, EU, UK, and NATO”.........
So it’s clear you can’t back up your claims. It’s not a case of the sources and quotes not being good enough. You haven’t shown ANY quotes. It would have been easy if you had anything. The only conclusion I can make is that you have never seen such quotes and that they don’t exist.
“So it’s clear you can’t back up your claims.”
My post history alone proves the utter absurdity and idiocy of that which you claim/assert.
Yo, the bridge from which you crawled from under is missing you.
What these pricks dont know and refuse to understand is this..
What law did Poland pass in Feb of this year concerning the Ukraine and a “certain” ideology? It really triggered The Ukraine and some globalists.
After that happened the war started.
“RESIDENTS OF ODESSA FIND FLYERS LIKE THIS:
ALL YOU WHO SPEAK RUSSIAN IN ODESSA!
We warn that we, a group of patriots, have started a safari against anyone who speaks the language of the occupier. If you babble in Russian - beware, because it’s like smoking - it can cost you and your loved ones life .
Good luck.
Glory to Ukraine! Death to enemies!”
https://t.me/SrbijaRusija/7437
This is the neo-Nazi garbo that is plastered all over southwestern Ukraine, southern Ukraine and eastern Ukraine from street corners to children’s playgrounds.
Where did you get the information that the casualty rate is 10 to 1 in Russia’s favor? It would certainly support your predictions if true, but that’s a very big if.
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