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Manchukuo, puppet state created by Japan in China [1932]
Encyclopedia Britannica ^ | Last Updated: September 7, 2022 | most recently revised and updated by John M. Cunningham

Posted on 10/06/2022 10:29:11 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

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To: skeeter

Japan definitely got its nose bloodied by the bear in 1939.

Quite often in reading of this era, I’ve wondered, “What were they thinking!?” with regard to the northern strategy. You can’t just eat China. Korea, sure. China...nope. It’s a dog chasing a truck scenario.

However, their soldiers and pilots got a lot of practice out of it, and a few years later they were able to mop the floor with the British and Dutch in Malaysia, not to mention the natives.

What they needed to wage war was always in the south. To this day, the shipping lanes are potentially very problematic for China, and that’s in spite of pipeline technology.

I guess a lot of the military were suffering from the Maginot Line fallacy, looking backward to yesterday’s problems to guide them with today’s challenges.

But heck, they hadn’t even the people needed to take over any substantial piece of China. There were half a billion Chinese at the time, iirc. What were they thinking!


21 posted on 10/07/2022 7:37:00 AM PDT by Buttons12 ( )
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To: Buttons12
Japan definitely got its nose bloodied by the bear in 1939.


22 posted on 10/07/2022 7:37:50 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Buttons12

What the navy needed was in the south. Army leadership was rabidly anti communist and wanted to take after the USSR until their ardor was dampened and credibility reduced by Khalkhin Gol.

Anyway, Japan defeating China was about as likely as was Japan defeating the US. What were they thinking, indeed.


23 posted on 10/07/2022 7:46:18 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: dfwgator

Zhukov! The guy who titled his memoirs, “Memoirs,” when “How I Worked for Stalin & Lived to a Ripe Old Age” was available.


24 posted on 10/07/2022 7:55:20 AM PDT by Buttons12 ( )
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To: skeeter
What the navy needed was in the south.

And what the army needed was the navy!

The more tanks, trucks and planes Japan churned out for war in China, the sooner they'd be jonesing for oil. Where's the oil coming from? Without it, how many paperweights do they need?

25 posted on 10/07/2022 8:05:14 AM PDT by Buttons12 ( )
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To: SunkenCiv
I watched a better documentary earlier this year...

If you recall the link, I'd like to see that.

26 posted on 10/07/2022 8:06:08 AM PDT by fidelis (👈 Under no obligation to respond to rude, ignorant, abusive, bellicose, and obnoxious posts.)
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To: dfwgator

I tend to agree.


27 posted on 10/07/2022 8:08:16 AM PDT by fidelis (👈 Under no obligation to respond to rude, ignorant, abusive, bellicose, and obnoxious posts.)
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To: SunkenCiv

A good Time Ghost episode about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVgCy6iwrHQ


28 posted on 10/07/2022 8:10:23 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: fidelis

I’ve been trying to find it. Thought I’d posted it here back at the time, but have yet to find it.


29 posted on 10/07/2022 8:11:34 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: dfwgator

Thanks!


30 posted on 10/07/2022 8:11:37 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Buttons12

IJA required about a quarter to a third of what the navy used, and Manchukuo produced about a million tons of oil in ‘41.

I have no idea if this would’ve been enough, I suspect not.


31 posted on 10/07/2022 8:20:34 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: skeeter
IJA required about a quarter to a third of what the navy used, and Manchukuo produced about a million tons of oil in ‘41.

They needed about 20x that, before Pearl Harbor. After Pearl, probably 40 million would have been necessary. And what they had in Manchuria wasn't exactly Texas tea.

32 posted on 10/07/2022 8:34:55 AM PDT by Buttons12 ( )
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Their ships were burning Borneo crude oil right out of the ground by 1944.


33 posted on 10/07/2022 4:12:31 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: SunkenCiv

At least they gave Pu Yi something to do with his spare time.


34 posted on 10/07/2022 4:45:51 PM PDT by Paal Gulli
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ah, it was on Prime.

Kanji Ishiwara: The Man Who Triggered the War
52min
2018
https://www.amazon.com/Kanji-Ishiwara-Man-Who-Triggered/dp/B07P7YBJQB


35 posted on 11/10/2022 6:09:04 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: fidelis

https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/4098873/posts?page=35#35


36 posted on 11/10/2022 6:13:08 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SunkenCiv

That sounds great. Thanks for remembering and sending the link!


37 posted on 11/10/2022 7:35:41 AM PST by fidelis (👈 Under no obligation to respond to rude, ignorant, abusive, bellicose, and obnoxious posts.)
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My pleasure. I stumbled across it in my viewing history, which cleared it up, I’d thought it had been on YT and hadn’t been able to find it.


38 posted on 11/10/2022 8:40:57 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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