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To: MtnClimber

Its not “collectivist”.

This war is tribal. Or call it a caste war. Or call it a class war. Or call it a war of religion. None of these are entirely correct, but some mixture of the above captures a complex and “fuzzy” truth.

There is an overclass, that controls all institutions, that sees the middle class as an enemy, a group that can overthrow them.

Its certainly not “collectivist” as nearly every one of those people in the “overclass” has a social and economic position, or desires one, outside of the mass of the despised enemy. They do not want a single controlling entity to rule THEM either. Certainly they do not want to be reduced to just another powerless cog in the collective. It is all about their status after all.


4 posted on 10/06/2022 5:39:12 AM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: buwaya

true dat.


5 posted on 10/06/2022 6:04:32 AM PDT by sauropod (Unbelief has nothing to say. Chance favors the prepared mind.)
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To: buwaya
Its not “collectivist”.

This war is tribal. Or call it a caste war. Or call it a class war. Or call it a war of religion. None of these are entirely correct, but some mixture of the above captures a complex and “fuzzy” truth.

There is an overclass, that controls all institutions, that sees the middle class as an enemy, a group that can overthrow them.

Its certainly not “collectivist” as nearly every one of those people in the “overclass” has a social and economic position, or desires one, outside of the mass of the despised enemy. They do not want a single controlling entity to rule THEM either. Certainly they do not want to be reduced to just another powerless cog in the collective. It is all about their status after all.

I think you misunderstand what is meant, in this case, by collectivist. Some governments are designed to rule for the benefit of the collective (communism, fascism, feudalism) while others are oriented in favor of the individual (i.e. Classical Liberalism, our Constitutional Republic and yes, at the extreme, anarchy).

Collectivist governments with ruling elites (the overclass) govern by what "they" think is best for everyone i.e. the collective. They are threatened by individuals who choose to decide what is best for them and by consequence collectivist governments tend towards totalitarianisms.

7 posted on 10/06/2022 7:27:28 AM PDT by MichaelRDanger
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