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Scientists debate how lethal COVID is. Some say it's now less risky than flu
NPR ^ | 09/16/2022 | Rob Stein

Posted on 09/16/2022 7:22:44 AM PDT by BenLurkin

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To: skeeter

Turns out when you stop counting folks dying with Covid as dying from Covid.... the virus’ lethality doesnt seem quite the same.


21 posted on 09/16/2022 7:46:25 AM PDT by MrRelevant
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To: BenLurkin

covid is dangerous to people with autoimmune or chronic diseases because their innate immune systems have been severely weakened.


22 posted on 09/16/2022 7:47:18 AM PDT by ckilmer (qui)
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To: BenLurkin

They might have to reassess how risky it EVER was.

It seemed somewhat bad at first, but within the year I myself find out how dubious the numbers are, so that we may even now be overrating the case fatality rate.

To me, it’s mostly yet another example of communist Dems spouting a false premise - in this case, that COVID-19 IS THE WORST EVER!!!!


23 posted on 09/16/2022 7:47:29 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMV.)
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To: skeeter

A LOT of very good factual information about COVID-19 Wuhan virus was suppressed from the very beginning, including the efficacy of the hydroxychloroquine-zinc-azithromycin protocol and ivermectin. Other failed medicines were pushed in their stead, like remdesivir, which proved to have little impact. Molnupiravir (Lagevrio) and nirmatrelvir/ritonavir (Paxlovid) are oral antiviral agents proved to be effective only if the disease was still in the early stages, but no benefit if administered too late in the progression of the disease.

The only real advantage of using these antivirals, is that they were VASTLY more profitable to the pharmaceutical firms than the HCQ or ivermectin treatments. And that was only to the Big Pharma interests.

Then the most egregious misuse of ANY treatment was the widespread use of the mRNA injection, which wrought SO much more mischief when used as a “treatment” or “preventative” for COVID-19. Almost nobody needed this shot, for ANY reason, and it was only to be used for the most vulnerable of patients, the aged or the immunologically compromised.

The side effects and the long-term residual effects are only now becoming widely known, and only because the pharmaceutical firms were given protection from liability are they still even being dispensed. FDA should have restricted this treatment from the beginning to that very small part of the population that it might POSSIBLY have helped, and its general use never allowed.

Somebody, or several somebodies, with lots of money got behind this population control method, with the end objective of “culling the herd”, and reducing the overall human population of this planet to a “manageable” level.

Now millions will experience painful, needless deaths, and all for some cockamamie idea of “reforming” humanity.


24 posted on 09/16/2022 7:51:33 AM PDT by alloysteel (A born skeptic is now living in a target-rich environment. SO many beliefs to challenge...)
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To: sphinx

At the least, we’re already seeing the status of “flu shots” elevated as now, there are brand-specific commercials on TV and radio. Before, it was just banners at the pharmacy about “get your free flu shot”, but now we have to be told ahead of time what choices we have and which is, of course, best.


25 posted on 09/16/2022 7:56:15 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMV.)
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To: rbg81

“the real purpose of CV-19 was always to get rid of Trump and make the population more complaint to authoritian dictates.”

Yep. Davos-19.


26 posted on 09/16/2022 7:56:16 AM PDT by lizma2
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To: BenLurkin

At its peak it was slightly more risky than the flu
Of course, locking people down made it worse.
Sort of like incubating germs in a petri dish.


27 posted on 09/16/2022 7:57:35 AM PDT by Leep (Hillary will NEVER be president! 😁)
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To: Yardstick

“So does this settle the It’s Just the Flu Bro thread then?”

Definitely now ‘Just the Flu, Bro”, but it was nasty in the early rounds, at least regarding some of the people I knew that got it (at least the susceptible ones).


28 posted on 09/16/2022 7:58:27 AM PDT by BobL (By the way, low tonight in Estonia: 46 degrees)
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To: BobL

Flus can be nasty too.


29 posted on 09/16/2022 7:59:21 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: BenLurkin

“…some say it’s now less risky than flu…”

Some have been blasted mercilessly right here for even suggesting such an idea - based on their OWN experience with the virus..


30 posted on 09/16/2022 8:00:07 AM PDT by joethedrummer (We can't vote our way out of this, folks..)
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To: skeeter
Some of the people who died for other reasons happened to also test positive for the coronavirus.

"We are now seeing consistently that more than 70% of our COVID hospitalizations are in that category,"..

This has been the case from day one. Additionally, people under the age of 30 have practically no danger Covid death,
and those younger than 18 have little danger of spreading it. What a massive scam this continues to be.

31 posted on 09/16/2022 8:05:04 AM PDT by Thommas (The snout of the camel is already under the tent.)
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To: Old Yeller

Well, I don’t take flu shots either. I do worry a bit that they might slip the mRNA into some other types of shots, though, very possibly without my doctor’s knowledge.


32 posted on 09/16/2022 8:15:58 AM PDT by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: BenLurkin

Well, the media is finally starting to admit their failure with a meeting of the ways. This entry by NPR is a real game changer...but it isn’t. It is nothing more than trying to save face. The liberals have used this attack of a bio weapon put out by China because the US was kicking both their keysters thanks to Trump, so the liberals used it as a tool for political purposes. “Never let a crisis go to waste”

So now it is time to turn off the sky is falling attitude, and, of course, that Trump’s fault, so they are trying to smooth the way by bringing down the level of fear they created and are starting the victory dance right before the midterm. (What a shock)

Covid is not like flu, it is a flu. And because of the genetic engineering, it is a strong one like bubonic. None of this was an accident. Covid doesn’t kill you, it makes you sick so some other thing does. Hence the death rate among aged and ill. And if it was that accomplished, then according to John Hopkins, why is there less than 2% of the people who contract the virus die from its complications? And that includes auto accidents and gun shots blamed for it.

Look at the facts:

Both COVID-19 and flu can result in complications, including:

Pneumonia
Respiratory failure
Acute respiratory distress syndrome (fluid in the lungs)
Sepsis (a life-threatening illness caused by the body’s extreme response to an infection)
Cardiac injury (for example, heart attacks and stroke)
Multiple-organ failure (respiratory failure, kidney failure, shock)
Worsening of chronic medical conditions (involving the lungs, heart, or nervous system or diabetes)
Inflammation of the heart, brain, or muscle tissues
Secondary infections (bacterial or fungal infections that can occur in people who have already been infected with flu or COVID-19)

Differences:

Most people who get flu will recover on their own in a few days to two weeks, but some people will experience severe complications, requiring hospitalization. Some of these complications are listed above. Secondary bacterial infections are more common with influenza than with COVID-19.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/flu-vs-covid19.htm#:~:text=While%20the%20virus%20that%20causes,more%20superspreading%20events%20than%20flu.

When it is considered that each strand of flu coming through your area is treated by time and the body doing its work, and that no vaccine can kill the flu, then there is no difference between the other flus and this one other than it has been engineered to spread and do what flu does. Thousands are killed annually by the flu. In Obama’s last year of his administration the overall burden of influenza for the 2015-2016 season was an estimated 24 million influenza illnesses, 11 million influenza-associated medical visits, 280,000 influenza-related hospitalizations, and 23,000 flu-associated deaths. And that is with a naturally generated illness with no extras added to hype covid like the HIV that was added to it from the Canadian lab where it was stolen.

Is it now time to actually look at the facts? It is if the liberals and their attack dog media are going to get out of their lies gracefully with giving the sheep other crisis to mull over while covid fades into history with a future no worse than the bubonic plague.

And this is the CDC talking, not me. I’m not capable of erasing facts like liberals do.

wy69


33 posted on 09/16/2022 8:16:43 AM PDT by whitney69
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To: dfwgator

“Flus can be nasty too.”

Yep, people used to die of ‘the flu’, and starting about 2 years ago, they stopped dying of the ‘the flu’. I wonder what the numbers are now?


34 posted on 09/16/2022 8:16:46 AM PDT by BobL (By the way, low tonight in Estonia: 46 degrees)
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To: BenLurkin

Have we started to debate how lethal scientists have been in the last 2+ years?

How morally corrupt big medicine and big pharma is..

And how their partnership with tyrants in govt didn’t promote life,liberty and the pursuit of happiness..


35 posted on 09/16/2022 8:27:39 AM PDT by delchiante
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36 posted on 09/16/2022 8:30:31 AM PDT by PMAS (Vote with your wallets, there are 80 million of us - No China made, No Amazon)
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To: BenLurkin

“less risky than flu” true, but as the days cool, and fewer people go out, the numbers will be going up just in time for the election, and the restrictions will come back.

Unless they find another “crisis” before then.


37 posted on 09/16/2022 8:30:45 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Biden has gone full nazi. No surprise. He told us on Sept 1, during his 20 minute hate speech.)
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To: skeeter
Yes, this "doubt" is not new. As posted months on ago, by the grace of God.
38 posted on 09/16/2022 8:34:03 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him who saves, be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: montag813

“Once defeating Trump became the focus, the definition of “death FROM Covid” kept expanding and expanding.” Agree that this argument is compelling and might explain the insane reaction to this virus....but what about the rest of the western world?


39 posted on 09/16/2022 8:37:58 AM PDT by consult
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To: ckilmer
covid is dangerous to people with autoimmune or chronic diseases because their innate immune systems have been severely weakened.

It depends on what autoimmune or what chronic disease one has.

I have an autoimmune disorder that requires Humira 2x/mo.

I've had the CHINA VIRUS twice. Was an early adopter in March 2020 and had it again earlier this year.

Yeah, March 2020 it knocked me on my ass and I recovered fully. Carried immunity for almost 2 full years, and was regularly tested for it as part of a study.

When I got it again earlier this year, I thought it was my allergies & a sinus infection. Got over it in 3 days - FULLY.

So not every autoimmune condition means the CHINA VIRUS is lethal. It's not.

40 posted on 09/16/2022 8:39:48 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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