In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled No ‘Pandemic Amnesty,’ We Want Accountability, metmom wrote: |
Excellent articles. Thanks for posting. Interesting questions arise though. Does forgiveness preclude justice? Just because we forgive, does that mean there should be no consequences for their actions, or that we do not hold them accountable? The pastor of our church is careful to remind us that even though we are forgiven, we have to remember there are consequences for our actions. There is justice - Christ paid the price for our sins - someone paid, accepted the consequences on my behalf. But my sins required justice. Or are we just supposed to move on like they’d want and pretend like none of this ever happened? That they can just get on with life with a callous disregard for what they inflicted on everyone else. These people feel zero remorse. They only have contempt for us as they try to turn our inclination toward mercy against us as a weapon. They despise us now, believing us weak and gullible, just as much as they did before, when they wished death upon us or said we deserved to be rejected at hospitals if injured.When ridiculing us for not having the vax, they looked down on us and they are still looking down on us now - it's just their excuses have shifted. They accept zero responsibility and pretend they don't see the intentional actions they undertook. They try to diffuse their guilt out over the entire population, "we didn't know!" to minimize their personal responsibility, as if even the victims of their abuses partook in the wrong doing. Who's 'we' in the whining, "We didn't know better!" Even if a person was sorry they caused vehicular manslaughter, there is still accountability given the value of what was lost (i.e., life has inherent value). It always aggravates me when the person doing the wrong demands forgiveness and then makes the person wronged the bad guy for not being “forgiving”. All they are looking for is a clear conscience and escape from the consequences of their actions. But to demand it? That’s not what forgiveness is. Forgiveness is freely given by the wronged party, not an obligation to be fulfilled to the perp by the victim that the perp can demand of them. What they are then demanding is injustice, an escape from the consequences or penalty of their wrong doing. That’s not forgiveness. I had a relative that would ridicule me with the accusation that I must be 'holding a grudge' (he hadn't asked me for forgiveness, felt no remorse, but was angry I didn't proactively offer 'forgiveness'). Therefore, he reasoned that meant I had to be bullied into absolving him of all responsibility without his ever having acknowledge any responsibility at all. He preened, "Uncle Jim says I never hold a grudge", and I stared in disbelief because I had done nothing wrong to him and there he was proud that he didn't withhold his forgiveness from me! I think that this may be the big issue with people forgiving others. The thought that by forgiving them means there are no consequences, no accountability, no resolution, no nothing except ignoring what happened like it didn’t. And does demanding justice mean that forgiveness didn’t happen? I think I've seen that alot in people. The fear that forgiveness means 'forgetness'. I believe we can forgive but never trust that person again if we see zero change of heart or acceptance of responsiblity. I see no reason why justice must be withheld for someones actions just because they tell us 'sorry'! You can total someone else's car in a collision, and 'sorry' doesn't end the matter. I think forgiveness is something one does to set oneself and or other's free from the burden of the past. There is no demanding it from another. If a man rages inwardly at the drunk who ran his child down at the bus stop, the perpetrator is unfazed by the father's anger, even if he's serving jail time for his crime. But the father can wither away in helpless burning anger. To forgive and let God hold each of us accountable and serve justice in His own wisdom for that portion of justice that cannot be obtained on earth. The father feels the prison sentence doesn't return his baby to his arms and pines and rages. God can grant healing and assurance that He LOVES JUSTICE and will hold each of us accountable, and allow the consequences of our actions in this life (e.g., prison etc.) as He deems fit. We're talking about excuse makers and others without remorse in general, so my comments don't talk about the healing process that goes on between people who genuinely grieve their errors/crimes etc. Thoughts? Because those are some of the things I wrestle with in forgiving others. One of my parents turned to have faith in God shortly before death. I later looked through the Bible I had given them, to see what verses were written in shaky print in the back cover. All were about forgiveness. Forgiveness is hard for us, even though sometimes we really want to forgive. I think part of it is the sense that others had no idea or compassion for the cost. Each elderly person who died without a hand to hold because of Branch Covidians virtue signalling likely draws an ocean of anger and grief, from loved ones or compassionate people. And that's just one person in that scenario - what about their children, grandchildren, friends etc. - all going through the meatgrinder together for no reason, or so it seems. But God catches our tears, knows the cost, and grieves with us. Here's part of an email I recently sent someone: young man on YOUTUBE sits beneath various poignant images or gifs this one is heart breaking https://i.imgur.com/IIAL9Lt.png People tried to convey the COVIDIAN COST in life, in loved ones, in creative ways - a woman had a banner attached to a bridge in NY that read, 'Cuomo killed my mother.' It needed to be said - she needed someone to ackowledge the treasure of her mother's life and the true cost of their actions in heartlessly causing her mother's death. But this is what is missing from the demand for forgiveness. These people are pretending the guilt/responsibility is equally divided among us, and we must forgive each other. I suspect many are signalling they did nothing we didn't do and unless we want them to hold our participation against us, we better stop holding their participation against them. These people are sick. The people I haven't heard from, yet, are not likely to demand we 'get over it' and 'move on.' They are the decent people who were psyoped into hysteria and when the psyop wore off and the lights came on, they were shocked and confused to know how they ever did what they did, or believed what they once beleived. I don't know how numerous they are, but those are the ones who were previously unaware they have been asleep most of their lives, indoctrinated and mindlessly controlled. Some may now be momentarily shoved into the spotlight, blinking in confusion at what they seem to have done, if they can make themselves accept they have done it (requires strength). They may dive back into the stupor of indoctrination and join with those minimizing the harm the've done, and demanding forgivness just to escape the horror of it all. Or some may stumble out into the light, traumatized in having to deal with the unprecedented scope of betrayal to which the world has been subjected, and which they have abetted. On the Q thread, we've had 5 years to force our way through icebergs of disillusionment, but this last group of Covidians have it fall on them like a mountain in a moment of time. These will likely not haughtily demand our forgiveness, and distribute responsibility among abusers and their victims equally. They may struggle with the idea, 'How can I ever forgive myself? How can I ever face my sister, my neighbor after what I've done to them...?" Prayers up - God grant us the wisdom to know how to recognize and deal with the variety of differing responses of those who persecuted us, and give us the answers we need to relay to any requests they may ask of us. Lay olive branches in our palms when they are needed. Steel our spines when we must hold others accountable despite their ploys, anger, screams, and cries. Expose it all to our eyes and point the way toward justice. Thank you, Father, for forgiving me, and teach me when and how to forgive, and all the ways forgiveness and accountability can happen. Thank you for your love, sacrifice and protection. Amen. |
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