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To: jeffersondem

I do no such thing. YOUR side trashed the Constitution in 1860 with secession.

And throwing off the chains of a degenerate monarchy and ocean away is no where near undertaking a violent secession to rend a nation in two and keep a race of people in bondage for the purpose of using them a s slave labor.


474 posted on 08/03/2022 11:31:19 AM PDT by jmacusa (Liberals. Too stupid to be idiots. )
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To: jmacusa
I do no such thing. YOUR side trashed the Constitution in 1860 with secession.

Nope. That's a lie. All the evidence available demonstrates that states had a right to leave.

The *ONLY* evidence you have to the contrary are two letters from James Madison, and one of those was written decades after the fact! Even those letters are contradicted by the fact Madison was on the committee that wrote Virginia's ratification statement, and *THAT* specifically says Virginia has a right to secede.

The constitution has no authority to forbid secession any more than the Magna Carte of England could forbid secession.

Self determination is a human right.

485 posted on 08/03/2022 12:51:39 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: jmacusa; DiogenesLamp

“And throwing off the chains of a degenerate monarchy and ocean away is no where near undertaking a violent secession to rend a nation in two and keep a race of people in bondage for the purpose of using them a s slave labor.”

Those are interesting comments. Let’s set aside, for a moment, your clamorous objection to “violent” secession and, by inference, your support or ambivalence for peaceful secession.

What I would like from you is a clarification of the question: are slave states disqualified from seeking independence under the theory of consent of the governed by dissolving the political bands connecting them to another ?


510 posted on 08/03/2022 6:55:05 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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