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To: fieldmarshaldj

I did not argue that you are not a Christian. You made that argument and its ridiculous. You are not God and have no stature to decide whether others have a faithful status.

That is for God and not for you.

I have not lied to you one time in this long thread. You ignore many important facts as this goes along and assert many lies — such as you are not Christian and Zelensky is not Jewish. Those are both lies you espouse freely but I do not think that gives me any privilege to say you are not a Christian.

You ask in post 452 what I disagree with in the US:

I already told you I voted for Trump in 2020 and think there was considerable cheating in the election. I definitely oppose gay marriage and many other sexualizing agendas of the current government but I definitely do not think Putin is trying to help reverse that or help the United States recover.

You say Griner hates America. She clearly does and as far as I can tell so do you. I definitely do not hate America. I am under no illusions that Russia is somehow better or really a great Christian nation. Here again you ignore explicit evidence that in 2016 Putin signed legislation allowing Christians to be arrested for encoring any faith outside the Russian Orthodox church.

You say I am pushing “globalist Sorosbot agenda.” This is more hyperbolic nonsense without evidence. This is how you and so many Putinbots cope with the unfavorable comparisons between Putin and Zelensky. George Soros and his bad agenda somehow united your impossible contradictions into some uniform political good. I do not see evidence of that at all. You hate the United States. . Putin Hates the United States. I am not in some sort of conspiracy with agents against the United States. I love the United States and understand its successes and limitations. Putin does not wish us well. Zelensky does seek to liberate his nation from Russian domination much like our effort to be free from Britain and its empire.

You say people know Putin is a Christian. I think there is no evidence of that and an abundance of evidence for anti Christian conduct. He kills innocent people inside and outside Russia with impunity. He jails anyone he thinks is a political rival. There is nothing contrite about his public behaviors.

I completely agree that we will know people by their fruits. Your reckless rhetoric reveals you. I accept you as a Christian with misguided opinions. I would not pretend you are not a Christian because I disagree with you. I definitely accept that Zelensky is Jewish. Putin’s big lie that he is hunting Nazis in Ukraine requires that you join him in that big lie to say that he is in league with Satan. That is more hyperbolic nonsense. Here again, you do not deny that Putin literally has “Satan” missiles that he mockingly applauds as being aimed at the United States and being among the most powerful nuclear warheads on the planet.

You have no response but to say that you rather admire Putin.

You say Zelensky, Soros and the Pedophile agree. Zelensky needs more of the lethal aid he obtained from President Trump and which Biden and Obama refused to provide. You are a reactionary who fails to think through reflexive opposition to Biden will harm your own interests. Lethal aid that Trump provided to Ukraine was and is correct. That aid was provided in 2019 from Trump to Zelensky.

You also asked if I read what I typed. I did. It was incoherent nonsense because I am repeating your argument. You hate American because Biden is President. This is the reactionary problem you are having. Because you hate Biden you think Putin is your friend and Zelensky is your enemy. You are not thinking clearly. Putin is one of the foremost enemies of the United States. Moreover Zelensky was an ally of Trump. So you are vulnerable to me irrationally saying you hate Trump because you oppose his lethal aid to Ukraine policy. Your logic is an incoherent mess.

You attack me about wanting to start World War III. This is more nonsense. Russia invaded Ukraine. its not the other way around. In taking this action of war, Putin is risking world war III. Appeasing Putin would only encourage him to take other states in Europe the same way—also bringing us closer to World War III. I am guessing you and other putin bots will say something similar if china invades Taiwan. Taiwan is some sort of Soros plot so they brought it on themselves. It is not in our interest to have a strong Putin driven Russia.

By forcing Ukraine to give up nuclear weapons we increased the likelihood of world war III and encouraged Russia to consider invading the state. We broke our written promise to Ukraine saying we would defend them.

You say Ukraine is bought and sold. This is more nonsense because these actually Christian soldiers are fighting and giving their lives for the independence of their nation whereas you and I are clicking keys on a keyboard. These over broad assertions you make about the totality of souls and nations is once again severely misguided. You do not acknowledge that Putin sends in Islamic supremacists into Ukraine to kill Christian families and soldiers in Ukraine. No Christian leader would do that. It reveals that Putin is a powerful dictator and not some acolyte of the Christian church. He loves Islamic radicalism and what it can do for his political interests to kill Christians. You have no answer for this fact.

You conclude:

“You support a corrupt globalist degenerate warmongering pushing for WW3. I look forward to his being hunted down and tried for crimes against humanity and high treason.”

More hyperbolic nonsense. Defending one’s country is treason? Of course it is not. The only treason is against the Russian Putin Super state where Putin owns any global territory he sets his mind to. Ukraine is not Russia. Its that simple and therefore it cannot be treason to defend Ukraine. The most severe warmonger in this analysis is Putin. He has repeatedly attacked Ukraine seeking war and he engages in war activity throughout the globe.

That is why Trump killed 200 of his precious Russian soldiers in Syria. Because Trump saw what you refuse to see. Putin is a ruthless opponent.

You are licking Putin’s boots. You have contempt for Trump’s ally Zelensky.

You have failed to prove any of your points.


459 posted on 08/05/2022 8:59:46 AM PDT by lonestar67 (America is exceptional)
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To: lonestar67
"I did not argue that you are not a Christian. You made that argument and its ridiculous. You are not God and have no stature to decide whether others have a faithful status. That is for God and not for you."

You're the one that keeps comparing me to being or thinking of myself as God. I have never claimed to be so, which would be blasphemous, and would again continue your long record of lying. Your obvious behavior here has made it quite easy to conclude which side you're on. It's not the Christian side. As a Christian we are called to judge and/or correct and rebuke others when they're on the wrong path. You're a screaming billboard for being off the path.

"I have not lied to you one time in this long thread."

Not one time, but COUNTLESS times. Again, not Christian.

"You ignore many important facts as this goes along and assert many lies — such as you are not Christian and Zelensky is not Jewish. Those are both lies you espouse freely but I do not think that gives me any privilege to say you are not a Christian."

I've spoken no lie here. Don't ascribe your behavior to me, sir. Just because you freely do so to defend evil, don't assume others do so in the defense of evil's opponent.

"I already told you I voted for Trump in 2020 and think there was considerable cheating in the election. I definitely oppose gay marriage and many other sexualizing agendas of the current government but I definitely do not think Putin is trying to help reverse that or help the United States recover."

If you oppose the sodomite agenda, why do you strongly support the corrupt and evil Zelensky regime ? If you support his regime, then you're lying about opposing the sodomite agenda.

"You say Griner hates America. She clearly does and as far as I can tell so do you."

Griner hates America in spite of the fact it's been bent to promote and worship her degeneracy. There's no pleasing deranged leftist moonbats. I hate and deplore that the country has been perverted beyond comprehension and this must be drastically corrected before the end goal of the left - complete cultural and social disintegration - is achieved. Either we normals step in and drastically change the situation and restore our Republic, it will be changed into something else entirely by outside sources (such as Red China). We're already in the process of the latter. We can't survive as the Founders intended while on the present track.

"I am under no illusions that Russia is somehow better or really a great Christian nation. Here again you ignore explicit evidence that in 2016 Putin signed legislation allowing Christians to be arrested for encoring any faith outside the Russian Orthodox church."

Russia does not tolerate the sodomite/degenerate agenda, whereas America now worships it as a religion. Bash Christianity here ? You're viewed as a hero. Bash Sodomites, trannies and other reprobates ? You're scorned, canceled and threatened with having your livelihood/life ruined. My question asked of you long ago was when Putin outlawed Christianity. You answered it with a falsehood. Because they favor Russian Orthodox as the preferred sect is irrelevant, because that was not the question asked. Early American states were enabled to choose the Christian sect of preference by the U.S. Constitution.

"You say I am pushing “globalist Sorosbot agenda.” This is more hyperbolic nonsense without evidence."

You push it in every post defending Zelensky, the corrupt state of Ukraine and against the demonstrably anti-globalist and anti-sex degeneracy state of Russia. Soros hates Russia, and he also hates traditional, normal America. Why he's working so hard to destroy both.

"This is how you and so many Putinbots cope with the unfavorable comparisons between Putin and Zelensky. George Soros and his bad agenda somehow united your impossible contradictions into some uniform political good. I do not see evidence of that at all."

You do not see because you choose not to see.

"You hate the United States. Putin Hates the United States."

You keep repeating the former. I hate the present state of affairs, the corruption, the degeneracy, the perversion. It must be set back in order to be saved. If I hated the country, full stop, I wouldn't give a damn. Putin's reasons for hating the country are his own and are complex. It doesn't help when we continue to support NATO, which should've been dismantled after the fall of the Soviet Union, breathing down his neck. A massive warmongering military bureaucracy that accomplished its goals 31 years ago. I think our country could go a long way in extending an olive branch by withdrawing our support for NATO. Europe can set up its own military alliance. The U.S. doesn't need to be and shouldn't be the world's policeman. All that has done has cost us countless lives getting involved in endless wars that are mostly none of our damn business.

"I am not in some sort of conspiracy with agents against the United States. I love the United States and understand its successes and limitations. Putin does not wish us well. Zelensky does seek to liberate his nation from Russian domination much like our effort to be free from Britain and its empire."

Ludicrous. Zelensky seeks to maintain his own personal power and the perks that come with it. Full stop. He is no hero, he has sold out his country to globalist interests. He is a traitor of the highest order and should face the ultimate penalty for treason and corruption. So should his puppetmasters.

"You say people know Putin is a Christian. I think there is no evidence of that and an abundance of evidence for anti Christian conduct. He kills innocent people inside and outside Russia with impunity. He jails anyone he thinks is a political rival. There is nothing contrite about his public behaviors."

Anti-Christians do not rebuild churches and encourage Christian membership. Zelensky is guilty of doing precisely everything accused of Putin, including punishing political opponents. Opposing Z's madness openly lands you in prison, or worse.

"I completely agree that we will know people by their fruits. Your reckless rhetoric reveals you."

I've said nothing reckless. I oppose the war you champion. If my wanting peace makes me reckless in your eyes, it once again reflects that quote from Isiah that fits you like a "T."

"I accept you as a Christian with misguided opinions. I would not pretend you are not a Christian because I disagree with you."

I simply do not care what you think of me. Only what He thinks of me matters.

"I definitely accept that Zelensky is Jewish."

And again, that doesn't matter. Zelensky can claim to be anything he wants, he can claim to be a dolphin, but it doesn't make it so. You either are or you aren't. "Kaitlyn" Jenner can claim to be a woman, but mutilating your genitals by some evil doctor's "operation" doesn't change the fact that you're simply a mutilated and mentally ill man.

"Putin’s big lie that he is hunting Nazis in Ukraine requires that you join him in that big lie to say that he is in league with Satan. That is more hyperbolic nonsense. Here again, you do not deny that Putin literally has “Satan” missiles that he mockingly applauds as being aimed at the United States and being among the most powerful nuclear warheads on the planet."

The fact remains that the Russia-Ukraine situation is none of our damn business. But yet you and your colleagues wish to make it your business, intervene on the wrong side, and compel Putin to fire said missiles against a country supporting his enemy in a war. That is, simply put, insane.

"You have no response but to say that you rather admire Putin."

I admire anyone with the guts to take on and destroy the evil globalist Sodomarchy. That includes Hungarian leader Orban. America needs a leader willing to face Satanic evil and destroy it thoroughly. Restore America as a Christian nation with the Christian values required of it to be the Republic of our founders. We cannot be America rejecting those values in favor of selfish degeneracy and hedonism.

"You say Zelensky, Soros and the Pedophile agree. Zelensky needs more of the lethal aid he obtained from President Trump and which Biden and Obama refused to provide. You are a reactionary who fails to think through reflexive opposition to Biden will harm your own interests. Lethal aid that Trump provided to Ukraine was and is correct. That aid was provided in 2019 from Trump to Zelensky."

Trump did not seek to spark WW3. That is the difference. Another difference is that Putin respected President Trump. He has zero respect for the geriatric child molesting globalist degenerate puppet illegally occupying the White House.

"You also asked if I read what I typed. I did. It was incoherent nonsense because I am repeating your argument. You hate American because Biden is President. This is the reactionary problem you are having. Because you hate Biden you think Putin is your friend and Zelensky is your enemy. You are not thinking clearly. Putin is one of the foremost enemies of the United States. Moreover Zelensky was an ally of Trump. So you are vulnerable to me irrationally saying you hate Trump because you oppose his lethal aid to Ukraine policy. Your logic is an incoherent mess."

Because what I write is logical and coherent to anyone else who possesses an ounce of sanity and reason, you simply accuse me of what you yourself are guilty of. It's a typical leftist tactic.

"You attack me about wanting to start World War III. This is more nonsense. Russia invaded Ukraine. its not the other way around. In taking this action of war, Putin is risking world war III. Appeasing Putin would only encourage him to take other states in Europe the same way—also bringing us closer to World War III. I am guessing you and other putin bots will say something similar if china invades Taiwan. Taiwan is some sort of Soros plot so they brought it on themselves. It is not in our interest to have a strong Putin driven Russia."

Because you do want WW3 by involving the U.S. in something that is none of our business. And the issue with Russia and Taiwan are completely different situations.

"By forcing Ukraine to give up nuclear weapons we increased the likelihood of world war III and encouraged Russia to consider invading the state. We broke our written promise to Ukraine saying we would defend them."

Why does this matter to you ? "We", our own government, has broken promises to its own people to defend the Southern border from invasion by millions and millions of illegals. THIS is our business. Not defending a corrupt Soros-puppet state thousands of miles away. Our border. Our country. Your priorities are so messed up here.

"You say Ukraine is bought and sold. This is more nonsense because these actually Christian soldiers are fighting and giving their lives for the independence of their nation whereas you and I are clicking keys on a keyboard. These over broad assertions you make about the totality of souls and nations is once again severely misguided. You do not acknowledge that Putin sends in Islamic supremacists into Ukraine to kill Christian families and soldiers in Ukraine. No Christian leader would do that. It reveals that Putin is a powerful dictator and not some acolyte of the Christian church. He loves Islamic radicalism and what it can do for his political interests to kill Christians. You have no answer for this fact."

Ukraine has been a corrupt state from the beginning. It has summarily failed to move away from this. It is a political quagmire for the United States to involve itself in this madness. If the people were concerned for Ukraine, it would depose its treasonous leader, those involved in the corruption, and summarily execute them and elect a government that is not a puppet of outside interests, globalists and sex degenerates. You seem to oppose this notion absolutely and completely. Why is that ? You think Zelensky is perfect despite mountains of evidence to the contrary. That this is abomination and lunatic was going around the world, to our country, and sending his equally complicit spouse to beg and whore after weapons of mass destruction to preserve his personal power is the absolute definition of evil war criminal and traitor and threat to world peace.

"More hyperbolic nonsense. Defending one’s country is treason? Of course it is not. The only treason is against the Russian Putin Super state where Putin owns any global territory he sets his mind to. Ukraine is not Russia. Its that simple and therefore it cannot be treason to defend Ukraine. The most severe warmonger in this analysis is Putin. He has repeatedly attacked Ukraine seeking war and he engages in war activity throughout the globe."

Demonstrably garbage. The issue isn't defending "his" country (as if it belongs to him, it does not), it's that he has sold out for bribes, for power and influence. THAT is the treason. That he has sacrificed his citizenry to maintain HIS power, murdered his citizens, imprisoned (or worse) those opposed to his treachery and evil. Also more treason.

"That is why Trump killed 200 of his precious Russian soldiers in Syria. Because Trump saw what you refuse to see. Putin is a ruthless opponent."

A mistake on President Trump's part getting involved in Syria. That's none of our business, either. The middle east is a perpetual quagmire. Trying to remove Assad would only serve to destabilize the area even more than it already is. I favored the removal of Saddam, but that just resulted in more destabilization. Some countries and areas must be ruled by strong men. It may not be right or just by our notions of governance, but the cultures and alien values of certain places are not amenable to any other type of governance. Our failed attempts to set up American style "democracies" (sic) has cost us trillions of dollars and countless lives. More often than not, they've got to figure things out for themselves and improve their own lives. We can't play big daddy God for them. We can't keep occupying armies in these places for perpetuity. If they can't take care of their own affairs, then they'll be brought down and replaced by something else and this will keep repeating until they finally get it right. This may take years, may take centuries, may take a millennia. There are countless problems in Africa, too. Civil wars, other madness. We can't solve their problems, either. It may be frustrating, but that's simply how it is.

"You are licking Putin’s boots. You have contempt for Trump’s ally Zelensky."

Don't try to link President Trump with the degenerate. He wouldn't give that lunatic nukes. As for what you are doing to Zelensky, that couldn't be said on a family-friendly website.

"YouI have failed to prove any of your my points."

Corrected for you.

461 posted on 08/05/2022 3:10:33 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (America Owes Anita Bryant An Enormous Apology)
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