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To: ConservativeMind
The motives were against England, while only southern states insisted on keeping and growing slavery.

Well that's incorrect. Not only did the Northern states continue to have slavery during the Civil War, they didn't even get rid of slavery until 8 months after the Civil War was over.

In addition to that, Lincoln spearheaded the effort to make slavery permanent in the United States by his support for the Corwin Amendment. (March of 1861.) So with Lincoln advocating a constitutional amendment to make slavery permanent, how can you say only the southern states insisted on slavery?

Also the "growing slavery" part is incorrect. Slavery could not grow outside of the regions where it was already in place. The lands in the territories simply could not support any large slavery presence because cotton could not be grown in these areas.

Also, you may not want to know, but the primary reason people opposed slavery was because they hated black people and did not want them in their states or the territories, which they regarded as needing to be preserved for white people only.

Yes, the Northern people were very ugly about racism and hatred of blacks, but all that has been covered up and people don't look at it.

That is why the South required a pro slave state to be admitted with each state that was against it, as the country grew.

You are again repeating claims from their enemies.

The Northern coalition had acquired such a large control of congress that they were successfully taxing the South for 72% of the all the taxes going to the Federal government. The Northern states, far more numerous and populous, were only paying 28% of the total tax burden.

The Southern states wanted additional states that would be empathetic towards them so that they could change the laws which had them paying 72% of the taxes.

The concern from the North about "expansion of slavery" was not based on moral reasons. It was based on a desire to maintain their dominance in the Congress which kept the money flowing into their pockets from the South, and it was based on an absolutely terrifying hatred of black people and a desire to keep them out of the territories which they wanted reserved for white people only.

I can see i'm educating you quite a lot about the ugly realities of 1860 America. What you have been taught growing up are lies and half-truths.

264 posted on 07/26/2022 9:50:15 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
The motives were against England, while only southern states insisted on keeping and growing slavery.

Well that's incorrect. Not only did the Northern states continue to have slavery during the Civil War, they didn't even get rid of slavery until 8 months after the Civil War was over.

Well, I am actually correct, as no Northern state both kept and grew slavery. As for “keeping,” slavery, this is the truth:

Five of the Northern self-declared states adopted policies to at least gradually abolish slavery: Pennsylvania in 1780, New Hampshire and Massachusetts in 1783, and Connecticut and Rhode Island in 1784. The Republic of Vermont had limited slavery in 1777, while it was still independent before it joined the United States as the 14th state in 1791. These state jurisdictions thus enacted the first abolition laws in the Atlantic World.[4] By 1804 (including New York (1799) and New Jersey (1804)), all of the Northern states had abolished slavery or set measures in place to gradually abolish it,[3][5] although there were still hundreds of ex-slaves working without pay as indentured servants in Northern states as late as the 1840 census.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_states_and_free_states

Would you claim your slaves were “indentured servants” and capable of being free and of voting, when owning land?

It appears the South favored the “slave” approach that the North did not agree to. The North had indentured servants that could vote. The South, at one time, had indentured servants, but abandoned that in favor of the ‘risk-free, property-free’ approach of African slavery:

https://www.ushistory.org/us/5b.asp

273 posted on 07/26/2022 10:31:54 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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