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To: ConservativeMind
It shows the corrupt motive and heart of the CSA as not being the noble reasons you believe.

This statement reminds me of how the Russians explain their invasion of Ukraine. "The Ukrainians have been allowing the US to operate bioweapons labs that were researching how to kill people of Russian descent with a genetically modified virus."

"The Ukrainians were oppressing Russian people who lived in the Ukraine. The Ukrainians overthrew a valid elected government favorable to Russia and installed a puppet leader hostile to Russians. And so on. "

You are repeating what their enemies said about them. But beside that, what does "Nobel" have to do with anything?

The Declaration of Independence asserts that people have a right to independence. You don't get to second guess their motives. This is like saying people only have a right to freedom of speech *IF* you agree with what they are going to say.

People have a right to independence even if *YOU* think their motives are bad. Certainly the British didn't believe the Colonists had good motives. From their perspective, the Colonists were ungrateful and disloyal to their required allegiance to the King. The colonists had immoral reasons so far as the British were concerned.

The right to Independence has nothing to do with how "noble" someone is. They have the right to independence whether they are Noble or not.

Even sick people have a right to be wrong and still be allowed due process...

Well see, you do kinda get the idea.

all the states formally agreed upon and had to abide by.

All states agreed to the process outlined in the Declaration of Independence.

263 posted on 07/26/2022 9:27:18 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
There was a due process agreed to by all parties. The Southern states were not being abused. The Northern states merely kept parity with the Southern states so that a slave state came in as each non-slave state came in. The South got all sorts of House members and electoral votes from breeding slaves, and didn't have to worry their slaves would be able to actually vote.

In sum, the South had everything it wanted and still had access to the goods from the North they could possibly desire.

There was a framework and a vow to always stay together and work through things in the agreed upon manner.

The South abandoned its responsibilities to use “every stage…of redress” to justify any negative action. So, as the Declaration states, the United States and the CSA became “Enemies in War.”

A Perpetual Union is, by definition, Perpetual.

267 posted on 07/26/2022 10:04:24 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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