Posted on 07/14/2022 1:43:54 PM PDT by RandFan
The U.S. Senate will likely vote this summer on admitting Sweden and Finland to NATO. Prior to Putin’s invasion of Ukraine, I have been an automatic “no” on expanding NATO to Russia’s borders. I have seen such expansion as needless provocation.
But Putin’s invasion of Ukraine has changed the world and a realistic view of foreign policy changes as the world does. In this new world, I am less adamant about preventing NATO’s expansion with Sweden and Finland.
In the coming days I will propose conditions to the treaty stating that Article 5 does not supersede the constitutional requirement that Congress declare war before engaging in hostilities, and that the U.S. will not bear any costs caused by the addition of Sweden and Finland to NATO.
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As for Sweden and Finland, we still need serious, rational, objective debate on the costs and benefits of admitting two historically neutral nations who have such strategic geographic position in relation to Russia. Before the Russian invasion, I would have said no. But given Russian actions, I have shifted from being against their admittance to NATO to neutral on the question, and will as a consequence vote “present.”
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Are you joking?
I would not trust the Russians - and especially under Putin - as far as I could piss up a rope in a hurricane!
NO MORE NATO!!!!
Remember the 1999 clinton bombing of Serbia!!!!
“Sweden and Finland in NATO? Why, the have always been neutral. Some people are trying to start WW3 with Russia, in a hurry. The US won’t win.”
You seem to forget — or you may not even know — that Finland was invaded by the Soviet Union in 1939. And when Germany invaded the USSR in 1941 Finland joined Germany, principally in to recover its territories lost in 1939-1940. Sweden was neutral in WWII. But, historically, Sweden has in the past fought Russia.
I like that he insists that Congress declare war before engaging in a war.
“Only someone grossly ignorant of Putin would make that comment.”
Only someone wholly in line with Putin and ignorant of history would say that.
Hitler was a devout nationalist; Putin is a devout nationalist. Hitler was a fascist; Putin is a fascist. Hitler dreamed of a new German Empire (Reich); Putin dreams of resurrecting a Russian Empire. Hitler expounded upon Ein Volk (One German People, no matter where they were, were part of the German Reich); Putin expounds upon once Russian, always Russian, no matter where they live.
So, you see, they were more alike than dissimilar.
Not kidding at all. Look at my previous posts on this thread and watch the video I linked. I promise you it is eye opening.
I see nothing wrong with his decision.
We won’t be paying a dime for the defense of Sweden or Finland. Both of those countries spend a reasonable amount on defense.
Tell your pal Putin to get out of Ukraine, Georgia...
No, kaktuskid is correct.
LOL
Uh oh...the cultists will not be happy with you.
Yes, very good.
You totally clueless. The war in Ukraine is a response to our and NATO's aggression.
We fomented a revolution in Ukraine in 2014. We funded, trained and enabled neo-Nazis and Ukrainian nationalists to persecute and murder ethnic Russians in Donbas.
Ukraine refused to implement the Minsk Agreement that it signed off on that would have brought peace to Donbas. We teased NATO membership for Ukraine earlier this year and repeatedly expanded NATO eastward after promising the Russians no eastward expansion of NATO in the early 1990s.
Russia present us with their security concerns in December in an effort to avoid war and we blew them off.
This is constant pattern -- we take aggressive action toward Russia, they fight back and we play them for defending themselves.
Trump is nationalist. Are you comparing him to Hitler, too?
The idea that there is anything wrong with nationalism is something only globalist scum would claim. Nationalism simply means putting American First. If you have a problem with that, you can go straight to hell>
The "liberal world order", which Biden advisor Brian Deese openly said this war is about, supports the green agenda, the LGBT agenda and abortion on demand. It and anyone supporting are the enemy of conservatism and an American First agenda.
Take that claim, you neocon freak, and shove it sideways up your rectum.
You repeating Biden regime and its "liberal world order" propaganda. You want to align with the Biden regime, get on the other side of the political aisle so conservatives can kick your ass.
Get this through your skull -- conservatives aren't tolerating American lives being lost or tax dollars being poured into this war not or they tolerating a sanction war we're getting the worst end of.
Trump, you neocon freak, is devout nationalist. Being a nationalist means putting your country first. Who but a liberal and/or RINO or CINO opposes that?
You just exposed what you are.
Hi.
Methinks we should invite the The Duchy of Grand Fenwick to join NATO.
And kick out Türkiye.
5.56mm
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/22/trump-nationalist-926745
President Donald Trump on Monday evening proudly asserted that he is a “nationalist” — a designation some of his fiercest critics have previously wielded against him as an attack on what they deem nativist policy pursuits by his administration.
“You know, they have a word, it sort of became old-fashioned. It’s called a nationalist,” Trump said
Let's see you compare Trump to Hitler, you neocon freak.
Anyone bashing nationalism needs to zotted out of here.
“Only someone wholly in line with Putin and ignorant of history would say that.”
Hitler gassed 6 million Jews, another million homos and Jehova’s witnesses. He started a war that expended no less than 40 million lives and leveled no fewer than 100 major cities.
On the big stuff, Putin is nothing like Hitler.
But your emotions want it to be so.
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