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To: Penelope Dreadful
A "citizen" of the United States and a "natural born Citizen" of the United States are NOT the same thing. And WKA 1898 in its decision did NOT state that they were the same thing in their holding. You keep making that false statement. Also, reading the actual presidential eligibility clause in Article II Section 1 Clause 5 clearly reveals that they are not identically equal. You and your gaseous gaslighting BFF advisor are linguistically and logically challenged, or as is more likely the case, you are deliberately dissembling and engaging in gaslighting about what the founders and framers original intent and understanding of what "natural born Citizen" meant, i.e., sole allegiance and unity of citizenship at birth.

You also keep ignoring a subsequent relevant case decided by the U.S. Supreme Court after WKA (1898), i.e, Perkins v. Elg (1939):

Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325 (1939), was a decision by the Supreme Court of the United States that a child born in the United States to naturalized parents on U.S. soil is a natural born citizen and that the child's natural born citizenship is not lost if the child is taken to and raised in the country of the parents' origin, provided that upon attaining the age of majority, the child elects to retain U.S. citizenship "and to return to the United States to assume its duties." Not only did the court rule that she did not lose her native born Citizenship but it upheld the lower courts decision that she is a "natural born Citizen of the United States" because she was born in the USA to two naturalized U.S. Citizens.

But the Secretary of State, according to the allegation of the bill of complaint, had refused to issue a passport to Miss Elg 'solely on the ground that she had lost her native born American citizenship.' The court below, properly recognizing the existence of an actual controversy with the defendants [307 U.S. 325, 350] (Aetna Life Ins. Co. v. Haworth, 300 U.S. 227 , 57 S.Ct. 461, 108 A.L.R. 1000), declared Miss Elg 'to be a natural born citizen of the United States' (99 F.2d 414) and we think that the decree should include the Secretary of State as well as the other defendants. The decree in that sense would in no way interfere with the exercise of the Secretary's discretion with respect to the issue of a passport but would simply preclude the denial of a passport on the sole ground that Miss Elg had lost her American citizenship.

Some visual aides for you and Euler Logic Diagram to help you grasp what the adjectives "natural born" mean when placed in front of the noun "citizen". A "citizen" created by Natural Law and not by any man-made law, treaty, act of congress, or constitutional amendment.





123 posted on 06/05/2022 12:31:07 AM PDT by CDR Kerchner (natural born Citizen, natural law, Emer de Vattel, naturels, presidential, eligibility, kamalaharris)
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To: CDR Kerchner; Penelope Dreadful
You also keep ignoring a subsequent relevant case decided by the U.S. Supreme Court after WKA (1898), i.e, Perkins v. Elg (1939):

Look, Penny, CDR has given you the case you demanded.

But you won't address anything but Ark, right?

127 posted on 06/05/2022 2:14:52 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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