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How Close were the FBI and Perkins Coie when the Obama “Birth Certificate” was Released?
The Post & Email ^ | 3 Jun 2022 | Sharon Rondeau

Posted on 06/03/2022 11:13:06 AM PDT by CDR Kerchner

(Jun. 3, 2022) — Toward the end of Tuesday’s edition of Fox News Channel’s “Tucker Carlson Tonight,” Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL1) told host Tucker Carlson that a “whistleblower” informed him that for at least a decade, the FBI has maintained a “working space” within the Washington, DC office of the international law firm Perkins Coie.

Not only did the FBI have its “working space” at the firm, Gaetz said, but the arrangement was also “operated” by then-Perkins Coie attorney Michael Sussmann, who earlier Tuesday was acquitted by a Washington, DC jury on one count of lying to the FBI.

Sussmann’s indictment accused him of lying about his motive for requesting a meeting in September 2016 with then-FBI General Counsel James Baker and specifically, whether or not Sussmann represented a client.

According to Baker’s testimony in last week’s trial, during the meeting Sussmann told Baker he did not represent a client in the matter and had requested the meeting only to “help the Bureau.”

Prosecution exhibits released during the course of the trial allegedly show that Perkins Coie billed the Clinton campaign for the time involved in Sussmann’s meeting with Baker.

In its May 24 coverage of the trial, The New York Post reported that as it pertained to the origins of the FBI’s investigation into the 2016 Trump campaign stemming from Sussmann’s meeting with Baker and the now-infamous Steele “dossier,” Sussmann’s identity was placed on a “close hold,” meaning it was not revealed.

Perkins Coie has long represented Democrats in one of its specialty areas, “political law.” Former Perkins Coie attorney Marc Elias, who last year launched his own “mission”-driven firm with several other Perkins Coie colleagues, served as counsel to Organizing for America (OFA), Barack Obama’s political organization. OFA later became a non-profit, “Organizing for Action,” ...

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; History; Miscellaneous; Society
KEYWORDS: barackobama; birthcertificate; lifenarrativefraud; perkinscoie
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To: Lurkinanloomin
Good information on natural born Citizen and what it meant to the founders and framers when they wrote it into the constitution at these links:

"natural born Citizen" defined in the founding and framing era in a legal treatise by Vattel: "The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens." Source: https://lonang.com/library/reference/vattel-law-of-nations/vatt-119/

Vattel's Influence on U.S. Founders & Constitution's Framers: https://www.scribd.com/lists/3224507/Vattel-s-Influence-on-U-S-Founders-Constitution-s-Framers

More here - Papers Discussing 'Natural Born Citizen' Meaning to Constitutional Standards: https://www.scribd.com/lists/3301209/Papers-Discussing-Natural-Born-Citizen-Meaning-to-Constitutional-Standards
41 posted on 06/03/2022 1:27:12 PM PDT by CDR Kerchner (natural born Citizen, natural law, Emer de Vattel, naturels, presidential, eligibility, kamalaharris)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

Trump may not be in congress, but he can be in a position to make or ruin some in congress if they don’t pursue illegal POS N0bama.


42 posted on 06/03/2022 1:28:40 PM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

“That’s from an Indiana court that got it wrong. Courts often get it wrong.”

Sure! Courts are wrong all the time, and the subsequent Court that gets it right, can pen a cogent argument about where the first court went wrong.

YOU CAN NOT. All you can do, is repeat the same ridiculous arguments again, as if repetition improves them. But all you are doing is the same thing that got you frog-marched out of court the first time, which is, and I quote, and you did it above too, “they primarily rely instead on an eighteenth century treatise and quotations of Members of Congress made during the nineteenth century.”

All, once again while “The Plaintiffs do not mention the above United States Supreme Court authority in their complaint or brief.”

You see, ignoring the USSCt case that is directly on point, while regurgitating a bunch of crap that was written BEFORE the USSCt decision is what one would expect of a 4th Grader, or a graduate of a HBCU. I fully expect you to blurt out, “But yo Honor, dey dun got dis ‘tuff wrong!” - while never addressing what it is that they supposedly got wrong.

I am not exaggerating. That is how cringe-worthy your arguments are. Did you take debate here, at dis, THIS school??? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmO-ziHU_D8&t=114s

No, that is not from The Babylon Bee. That is real.


43 posted on 06/03/2022 1:30:48 PM PDT by Penelope Dreadful (And there is Pansies, that's for Thoughts.)
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To: CDR Kerchner
Not only did the FBI have its “working space” at the firm, Gaetz said, but the arrangement was also “operated” by then-Perkins Coie attorney Michael Sussmann

Well, that explains why Sussmann would tell the FBI before coming in that he already had "credentials" to get into FBI headquarters.

44 posted on 06/03/2022 1:31:37 PM PDT by Tallguy
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To: Penelope Dreadful

Any definition that allows for the admission of foreigners (including those born here) to the office of President directly contravenes the stated purpose of the clause.


45 posted on 06/03/2022 1:35:50 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin ( (Natural born citizens are born here of citizen parents)(Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Penelope Dreadful

How did Obama get the Social Security number that was issued to an applicant from Connecticut? In March 1977, when the number was issued, Obama was a teenager living in Hawaii. He should have been issued number that start with a a sequence teserbed for applicants from Hawaii.

Obama’s Selective Service registration card is a forgery. Unless time travel is possible, the form used in 1990s was somehow submitted by Obama in 1980.

Then, there is a forged birth certificate posted on White House web site. Sheriff Arpaio was prosecuted because of his involvement in the investigation and proving that Obama’s birth certificate only exists in digital universe, there is no original paper document that was scanned to create the image presented to the USA public.

Hawaii gov. Abercrombie, a strong Obama supporter, is on the record describing record of Obama’s birth in Hawaii: he said that the document was found in the State archive and it is “actually written”. This was published by ABC News and CNN, several months before the forgery was published on WH web site.

How difficult is it to show the copy of the original birth certificate?

A woman who gave birth in the Kapiolani hospital at the time of Obama’s alleged birth there, published copies of the original certificates for her children (Nordyke twins). Obama’s “ birth certificate” is different, it is a another indication of a forgery.


46 posted on 06/03/2022 1:43:03 PM PDT by nosf40
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To: nosf40

I do not know, and I could care less. If the Birth Certificate were proven to be fake, I would be fine with that. I even wish you luck in that regard! But I do think that the Ancient Alien stuff is a safer bet.


47 posted on 06/03/2022 1:48:10 PM PDT by Penelope Dreadful (And there is Pansies, that's for Thoughts.)
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To: Lurkinanloomin
Perhaps the best examples of this concept are Donald Trump and Boris Johnson. Both were born in NY. Johnson's parents, though, were British citizens. Hence, Johnson is a British citizen from birth and Trump is an American citizen from birth.

The location they were born doesn't matter. If it did both would be American citizens at birth.

48 posted on 06/03/2022 1:55:15 PM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: Tell It Right

Some say you just have to have an American mother, like Winston Churchill and Ted Cruz..

(I did not know that about Boris Johnson, he is as eligible as Cruz, Jindal, Haley, Harris. No citizen parents)


49 posted on 06/03/2022 2:01:34 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin ( (Natural born citizens are born here of citizen parents)(Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Penelope Dreadful

Can you tell me, Penny, does USC 8 make Obama a NBC?


50 posted on 06/03/2022 2:05:03 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Penelope Dreadful
I have read Wong Kim Ark, and it is dispositive on the subject.

WOW! You've read one whole case.
May I suggest a new court case to read or are you content in your cognitive dissonance?

51 posted on 06/03/2022 2:09:09 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Lurkinanloomin; Penelope Dreadful

Well looky there, Penny, somebody already helped you out with a BUNCH of court cases to read.


52 posted on 06/03/2022 2:11:18 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

I am not sure what you mean by USC 8. The whole title?

Obama, if born inside the U.S. or its territories, is a natural born citizen by operation of the 14th Amendment. The 14th Amendment put into the Constitution what was already existing law, mainly common law by definition. I am shortcutting that some. But the purpose was to put the issue at the highest legal level, the Constitution.

Statutory law trumps common law, and the Constitution trumps both. Common law is judge made law, and it is a very stable system.

The constitution mentioned “natural born citizen” - which already had a meaning in English Common Law. English Common Law was well known by the Founders, and what the Wong Kim Ark case did in 1898, was to hold that the 14th Amendment basically enshrined previous notions of natural born citizenship into the Constitution. The only tricky part was what “under the jurisdiction” meant, and the WKA Court held that simply meant what was always meant from 300+ years earlier, that children of fathers who were invading soldiers or children of ambassadors were not natural born citizens. In America, that also included children of Indian Tribes, for a while. And kids who were born of travelers in the land were also natural born. Thus, if Obama’s mother had been a black chick, from Kenya and here with Obama’s father while going to school, then Obama would have still been a natural born citizen. Read that link above a few posts, to the Ankeny case. It gives a good synopsis of Wong Kim Ark without having to rea the whole case. It is rather long.


53 posted on 06/03/2022 2:35:32 PM PDT by Penelope Dreadful (And there is Pansies, that's for Thoughts.)
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To: philman_36

“May I suggest a new court case to read or are you content in your cognitive dissonance?”

I think that you are trying to say, in my ignorance. Cognitive dissonance is something else. And yes, I am very content with Wong Kim Ark! Now, if you have a relevant case, then present it. BUT, it has to be an American case that is AFTER Wong Kim Ark, not before, and of a USSC level.


54 posted on 06/03/2022 2:42:55 PM PDT by Penelope Dreadful (And there is Pansies, that's for Thoughts.)
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The serial# on that fake BC says it all.


55 posted on 06/03/2022 3:44:04 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Penelope Dreadful

You don’t know but are willing to laugh at others who look at the evidence of Obama Id fraud and think for themselves. Are you in the Mark Levin fan club?

Obama’s publisher in 1991 printed a booklet about their new authors. It mentioned that Barack Hussein Obama was born in Kenya.
Just another coincidence?


56 posted on 06/03/2022 3:46:07 PM PDT by nosf40
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To: nosf40

No, I think Obama meant to patss as a Kenyan. Being from Africa is a lot more exotic than being a plain old regular American negro. Plus, Obama was raised by white folks, and he acted and talked white, except when he was trying to pass as “real.” And when he did, he sounded about as authentic as Hilary talkin bout that hot sauce dere in her pocket.

So being a nerdy white-behaving black kid, why not try to pass as African? That would sure be a good reason to explain being articulate. Now, that is my guess. I do not know for sure. Believing that he is was not born in Hawaii is a lot less dumb than being a Flat-Earther, Fake Moon Lander, or someone who believes there are secret underground Nazi bases in Antarctica.

So, if that is your Conspiracy Theory, then go for it! Good luck!


57 posted on 06/03/2022 3:58:18 PM PDT by Penelope Dreadful (And there is Pansies, that's for Thoughts.)
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To: Tell It Right

They both were. Johnson was a dual citizen, and gave up his US citizenship in 2016. I’m not sure how that worked with taxes. If his parents had been diplomats, he wouldn’t have had US citizenship, but his father was a graduate student. Could he have run for president? I doubt he’d get very far. Too English.


58 posted on 06/03/2022 4:03:56 PM PDT by x
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To: Erik Latranyi
The GOP will not investigate Perkins Coi and the FBI <<<

Nope..lol..they all feed at the same trough ....

Orwell's novels have become “training manuals” for the elites and the NWO..

59 posted on 06/03/2022 4:28:26 PM PDT by M-cubed (The MSM is now the 4th Branch of Government.....)
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To: nosf40
Obama’s Selective Service registration card is a forgery. Unless time travel is possible, the form used in 1990s was somehow submitted by Obama in 1980.

So far as I have been able to find out online, his form resembles others from 1980. There are some later forms that are very similar and have a (Jan 82) at the bottom, but they don't appear to be otherwise different from the forms in use in 1980.

60 posted on 06/03/2022 4:32:43 PM PDT by x
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