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How Close were the FBI and Perkins Coie when the Obama “Birth Certificate” was Released?
The Post & Email ^ | 3 Jun 2022 | Sharon Rondeau

Posted on 06/03/2022 11:13:06 AM PDT by CDR Kerchner

(Jun. 3, 2022) — Toward the end of Tuesday’s edition of Fox News Channel’s “Tucker Carlson Tonight,” Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL1) told host Tucker Carlson that a “whistleblower” informed him that for at least a decade, the FBI has maintained a “working space” within the Washington, DC office of the international law firm Perkins Coie.

Not only did the FBI have its “working space” at the firm, Gaetz said, but the arrangement was also “operated” by then-Perkins Coie attorney Michael Sussmann, who earlier Tuesday was acquitted by a Washington, DC jury on one count of lying to the FBI.

Sussmann’s indictment accused him of lying about his motive for requesting a meeting in September 2016 with then-FBI General Counsel James Baker and specifically, whether or not Sussmann represented a client.

According to Baker’s testimony in last week’s trial, during the meeting Sussmann told Baker he did not represent a client in the matter and had requested the meeting only to “help the Bureau.”

Prosecution exhibits released during the course of the trial allegedly show that Perkins Coie billed the Clinton campaign for the time involved in Sussmann’s meeting with Baker.

In its May 24 coverage of the trial, The New York Post reported that as it pertained to the origins of the FBI’s investigation into the 2016 Trump campaign stemming from Sussmann’s meeting with Baker and the now-infamous Steele “dossier,” Sussmann’s identity was placed on a “close hold,” meaning it was not revealed.

Perkins Coie has long represented Democrats in one of its specialty areas, “political law.” Former Perkins Coie attorney Marc Elias, who last year launched his own “mission”-driven firm with several other Perkins Coie colleagues, served as counsel to Organizing for America (OFA), Barack Obama’s political organization. OFA later became a non-profit, “Organizing for Action,” ...

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; History; Miscellaneous; Society
KEYWORDS: barackobama; birthcertificate; lifenarrativefraud; perkinscoie
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To: philman_36

Scaredy cat.


181 posted on 06/05/2022 3:14:12 PM PDT by Penelope Dreadful (And there is Pansies, that's for Thoughts.)
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To: philman_36

“And you believe that something that applies to former
slaves applies to a Chinese man who was never a slave?”

Yes. So did the Wong Kim Ark Court! Read the 1898 article I sent you. Read also the Wong Kim Ark decision.


182 posted on 06/05/2022 3:15:36 PM PDT by Penelope Dreadful (And there is Pansies, that's for Thoughts.)
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To: philman_36

You said:

“That also shows that the 14th governed the people in that time, not in perpetuity.
Shall have. Past tense, not present or future tense.”

BUT, see this! Don’t you read the news??? Bwahahahahaha!

https://theconversation.com/forgotten-insurrection-clause-of-14th-amendment-used-to-force-gop-members-of-congress-to-defend-their-actions-on-jan-6-181905


183 posted on 06/05/2022 3:17:12 PM PDT by Penelope Dreadful (And there is Pansies, that's for Thoughts.)
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To: Penelope Dreadful
Imagine, if you will, a nation that went through a second civil war and the winners wanted the losers shot dead. All of them.
Unfortunately, there were laws and Amendments to prevent this.
Our devious villains planned to do away with those things.
They should be DEAD, not having a "disability" removed so they can hold public office again.
We've got to do away with them...and they did.
Our valiant heroes, with the new laws and Amendments in place, were then bludgeoned to death with clubs (because guns kill people) in the arena...which was also allowed in the new laws.

/story

184 posted on 06/05/2022 3:26:08 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Penelope Dreadful

Big whoop. Somebody filed a case.


185 posted on 06/05/2022 3:28:35 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Penelope Dreadful
From YOUR article...

As a constitutional scholar, I believe that the lawyers seeking disqualification have a steep hill to climb in all of these cases – especially when their arguments based on the 14th Amendment collide with the First Amendment and its protection of free speech.

Snip...So far, judges have dismissed those arguments in Arizona and North Carolina. Both are on appeal.

Snip...“The evidence in this matter is insufficient to establish that Rep. Greene … ‘engaged in insurrection or rebellion’ under the 14th Amendment to the Constitution,” Judge Charles Beaudrot wrote in his ruling.

Oh, yeah, that article really helps you out.

186 posted on 06/05/2022 3:32:34 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Penelope Dreadful

How can somebody be prosecuted today through an Amendment that only governed people who participated in the Civil War?


187 posted on 06/05/2022 3:36:03 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Penelope Dreadful
Read the 1898 article I sent you. Read also the Wong Kim Ark decision.

KMA! Quit ordering me to do things.

188 posted on 06/05/2022 3:40:37 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

Some good advice for you. Read and research something BEFORE you open your mouth and make a fool out of yourself. This legal stuff can be really involved, and even semi-talented amateurs can go off way into Left Field. Cawthorn’s attorney said this, and you completely missed it:


When asked if he believed that anyone could commit an act of insurrection and be excluded from 14th Amendment, Bopp clarified there are some people it would still apply to.

“Under the 1872 Act, it continues to apply that the disability continues to apply to certain categories. So there’s still categories of leaders of anything like that, that would still be disabled,” Bopp said.

Some of those categories include military officers who participate in an act of insurrection; however, in the broad sense, most people would be excluded from the 14th Amendment’s prohibitions.”

So yes, even that third provision of the 14th still applies, and this might be over your head, but Cawthorns’ attorney eve based part of his defense on provisions of the 14th.

I know that you are super-eager to confirm the Birther Imaginary Legal Theory, and it has led to run around like The Little Moron, who lost his chewing gum in the chicken yard. He hollered, “I found it!” 768 times.

But dude, all you are finding is chicken sh!t.


189 posted on 06/05/2022 3:44:02 PM PDT by Penelope Dreadful (And there is Pansies, that's for Thoughts.)
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To: Penelope Dreadful
And you believe that something that applies to former ...(AFRICAN)...
slaves applies to a Chinese man who was never a slave?
Yes.

And there, in a nut shell, is where we differ.

So did the Wong Kim Ark Court!

And the courts are never wrong, right? (43)

190 posted on 06/05/2022 3:46:52 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Penelope Dreadful
Blah, blah, blah... Section 3 of the 14th Amendment was passed shortly after the Civil War in 1866 to bar Confederates from federal government positions. But that ban didn’t last long.

Have ya gotten your clue yet from YOUR article?

191 posted on 06/05/2022 3:55:06 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Penelope Dreadful
But dude, all you are finding is chicken sh!t.

Dude, that isn't chicken sh!t, that's bait!

192 posted on 06/05/2022 4:00:13 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Penelope Dreadful
Read and research something BEFORE you open your mouth and make a fool out of yourself.

Perhaps you should follow your own advice.

193 posted on 06/05/2022 4:04:04 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

Then to sum it up, when you are out there pretending to know what you are talking about, just cut out all the BeeEss and tell people this:


My name is Philman36.

I do not think that the 14th Amendment applies to anybody but former slaves.

Even though the language of the 14th Amendment reads “All Persons.”

I believe this even though the Supreme Court and other courts say that it applies to all persons born in this country regardless of race.

This is because I do not like the Wong Kim Ark decision which explained that the 14th Amendment was declarative of the 500 year old common law - that people born inside England or the United States were natural born citizens, except for two or three special cases. I don’t like all that old law either.

While I will pretend to read legal cases and present all sorts of various legal theories, that is all just a smokescreen, because I don’t base my belief system on any of that stuff.

My beliefs are just plain based on my opinion about what I like and what I don’t like.


See, if you do that, then you can be honest, and most people can still think that you are nutz, but they can at least respect you for being an upfront and honest nut.

Personally, I have really enjoyed talking with you. It is rare that I can just sit and discuss things with a bona fide legal crank.

I am extremely interested in the underlying mental functioning of people like you, who live in their own special little Universe. Whatever the mental problem is, whether a form of Narcissistic Personality Disorder or a special place there somewhere on the Autism spectrum, whatever it is, I think that it is growing among the American Population. Maybe it is some sort of Collective Subconscious Stress Disorder, or maybe it is a chemical in our food or water or atmosphere. Maybe it is a reaction to much information input from the media.

Whatever it is, more and more, people seem to live in their own Reality apart from the actual reality of things. Birthers, Flat Earthers, Sovereign Citizens and transexuals, who truly believe that Women have penises, - people are retreating back into their own heads.

I truly wish you the best. You have your hands full, facing the world with only part of your brain functioning in a normal fashion, and I am truly impressed that you have managed to make it this far (60 years!)

Good luck!

Penelope Dreadful


194 posted on 06/05/2022 4:11:07 PM PDT by Penelope Dreadful (And there is Pansies, that's for Thoughts.)
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To: Penelope Dreadful

Please don’t take up writing. Your plot line is horrible.


195 posted on 06/05/2022 4:13:27 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36
Wow! Penelope Dreadful sure is getting nasty and dreadful. I googled on "Penelope Dreadful" to see what is out there by that name and I found this link ... that a She/Her/They by that name and commenter ID has other self described perverted interests it seems. So if it the same Penelope Dreadful, is He/Him/She/They still beating His/Her/She/They's BFF? Sort of like a "Sovereign Citizen" question. See: https://www.instagram.com/misspenelopedreadful/
196 posted on 06/05/2022 4:54:46 PM PDT by CDR Kerchner (natural born Citizen, natural law, Emer de Vattel, naturels, presidential, eligibility, kamalaharris)
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To: CDR Kerchner

I said I wasn’t going to be nice.


197 posted on 06/05/2022 5:00:32 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: CDR Kerchner
A combination, Penny Dreadful by Penelope Nelson.
An alternative - Penny dreadful
Penny dreadfuls were cheap popular serial literature produced during the nineteenth century in the United Kingdom.

Professor Penny (Penelope) Lewis
As you can see, Penelope/Penny are names/nicknames.
I even used Penny in my replies.
JMO, YMMV It's all just speculation on my part.

198 posted on 06/05/2022 5:32:55 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: x

Wrong form is not the only problem with Obama’s Selective Service forgery.
Let me help you with the search:

https://www.debbieschlussel.com/4428/exclusive-did-next-commander-in-chief-falsify-selective-service-registration-never-actually-register-obamas-draft-registration-raises-serious-questions/


199 posted on 07/07/2022 12:04:53 AM PDT by nosf40
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To: Penelope Dreadful

Obama defenders cannot explain his use of a Social Security number that does not fit the pattern used for applicants from Hawaii.
That SS number was reserved for an applicant from Connecticut; it was issued in March 1977 when teenage Obama lived in Honolulu.

According to the private investigator Susan Daniels, first recorded use of that number by Obama occurred in 1986.

This is not a conspiracy theory. These are known facts. Documents exist indicating Obama committed Id fraud.

Donald Trump made a huge judgement error in 2017 when he decided not to pursue Obama’s ineligibility for POTUS issue. That would have been a perfect setup to start draining the swamp.
Leftists know it. That is why we see hysterical reactions in the media whenever someone dares to question Obama’s eligibility for POTUS.

If born abroad, Obama was not even US citizen at birth. According to the law in effect in 1961 his mother was too young to confer her citizenship to him. She did not have 5 year US residence requirement after the age of 14.
That is why a fake Obama birth certificate was presented to the US public (posted on the White House web page, never submitted for a court validation in eligibility lawsuits).


200 posted on 07/07/2022 12:55:50 AM PDT by nosf40
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