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To: conservative98

I’m certainly on Ukraine’s side in this battle,but I’m also starting to wonder if Zelenskyy isn’t playing us. We keep sending him hundreds of millions of dollars in weaponry and the next week or two he wants more!
I’m naturally suspicious anymore.🤨


12 posted on 04/20/2022 4:27:26 PM PDT by telescope115 (Proud member of the ANTIFAuci movement. )
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To: telescope115

“We keep sending him hundreds of millions of dollars in weaponry and the next week or two he wants more!”

No, we keep promising to send hundreds of millions of dollars in weaponry and then the actual delivery is taking a lot of time. It ain’t Fed-Ex delivering this stuff!

Which makes sense since everything has to first be sent to Poland before it gets to the Ukrainian border.


20 posted on 04/20/2022 4:31:13 PM PDT by MercyFlush (The Soviet Empire is right now doing a dead cat bounce.)
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To: telescope115

Biden seems so eager to acquiesce to Zelenskyy’s demands, one might think Z has something on B.


24 posted on 04/20/2022 4:34:51 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard ( Resist the narrative.)
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To: telescope115

“I’m certainly on Ukraine’s side in this battle,but I’m also starting to wonder if Zelenskyy isn’t playing us. We keep sending him hundreds of millions of dollars in weaponry and the next week or two he wants more!
I’m naturally suspicious anymore.🤨”

How long do you think that stuff lasts in combat? There are estimates that what we are sending — aside from hard assets such as artillery — is enough to last about 18 to 24 hours; thus, the need for continuing re-supply. Ordnance without ammo are just props.


55 posted on 04/20/2022 4:51:52 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: telescope115

“I’m certainly on Ukraine’s side in this battle,but I’m also starting to wonder if Zelenskyy isn’t playing us.”

It’s probably more that his decisions are being heavily influenced by sponsors here in this country who want a continuing war with Russia regardless of whether or not a negotiated settlement might be better for Ukraine’s citizens.

I doubt that most Americans realize how much meddling in Ukraine’s affairs was going on besides Russia. There were two coups there in the last 20 years and they sure look like groups here in the West were involved in some fashion. Soros, Nuland, McCain, NGOs, the Biden family and Hillary all seem to have been very interested in Ukraine.


58 posted on 04/20/2022 4:52:55 PM PDT by Pelham (Q is short for quack )
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To: telescope115

Ukraine is still the underdog against Russia in this fight. Why wouldn’t he ask for as much as he can get?


59 posted on 04/20/2022 4:53:23 PM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: telescope115

Expensive weapons are lying around like candy after a parade goes through...

60 posted on 04/20/2022 4:55:15 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: telescope115
I’m certainly on Ukraine’s side in this battle,but I’m also starting to wonder if Zelenskyy isn’t playing us. We keep sending him hundreds of millions of dollars in weaponry and the next week or two he wants more! I’m naturally suspicious anymore

Unlike a lot of parts of the internet and social media, FR isn't uniform in its opinions about the war in Ukraine. I think diversity of opinion is good and I don't want to shout anyone down because I disagree with them.

Ukraine lost a sizeable chunk of its territory (Crimea) to Russia in 2014 (while Russia was hosting the Olympics). Russian-speaking areas of eastern Ukraine have been under occupation by Russian military forces and irregular militias sympathetic to Russia since that point as well. For some reason, America didn't see fit to send any weapons to Ukraine in all of those years, even though it was clear that the Russians had already invaded Ukraine. There were stern warnings, I'm sure letters were sent and diplomats demarched, but it was all amounting to nothing.

This year Russia decides to take another step into Ukraine. Now we are all gung ho about fighting the Russians. This is year eight of the invasion. What changed? Why the urgency now? Who benefits? Those are absolutely fair questions.

Compared to those years, I think the most glaring thing is that we're no longer wasting taxpayer dollars sending war materiel to Afghanistan, so the defense industrial welfare state needs a new tit to suckle from, and Ukraine just happens to be both willing and available. The Ukraine social media narratives are filled with fraudulent reporting and a lack of context, which benefits simps in the US and Western Europe who want to see more of their tax dollars getting thrown at a war that Ukraine cannot win on its own and that NATO countries are unwilling to join.

So what's left to do? Asymmetric war of attrition is the only thing Ukraine is promising. Slowly bleed Russia dry, except they've been saying that's what they were going to do from day one and that tactic only works if the Russian leadership is threatened by a populace weary of war. That's nowhere near happening. The war machine will never run out of other people's money to spend on weapons that will spill other peoples' blood. If the spigot were turned off, yes Russia would get its demands, but what's Ukraine's play for doing anything but surrendering more slowly and at a much steeper cost?

97 posted on 04/20/2022 5:47:55 PM PDT by jz638
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