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8oth Anniversary Doolittle Raid
self | April 18, 2022 | Self

Posted on 04/18/2022 11:53:45 AM PDT by Retain Mike

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To: Captain Walker

I wonder if Bill Gates and Anthony Fauci got the idea for the Chinese virus from Unit 731 ?....

Unit 731’s commanding officers debated the best bacteria to use, settling on plague, anthrax, cholera, typhoid, and paratyphoid, all of which would be spread via spray, fleas, and direct contamination of water sources.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/untold-story-vengeful-japanese-attack-doolittle-raid-180955001/


21 posted on 04/18/2022 7:10:09 PM PDT by minnesota_bound (Need more money to buy gas)
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To: minnesota_bound

I’m reading RFK’s book on Anthony Fauci and I can believe that both Gates and Fauci may very well be as morally-depraved as those Japanese were.


22 posted on 04/18/2022 8:06:13 PM PDT by Captain Walker ("If you think tough men are dangerous, wait until you see what weak men are capable of."- J Peterson)
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To: Retain Mike

The hangars at Eglin, used to modufy the B-25s, are stiml in service!


23 posted on 04/19/2022 2:24:49 AM PDT by Theophilus (Convoy!)
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To: Captain Walker

Welcome to the kingdom of historical armchair quarterbacks ever ready to denigrate or minimize the courage, integrity, stamina, and creativity of Americans in order to imply they bear responsibility for the murderous actions of others.

That’s precisely the logic leftists use, and which has proven time and time again to be flawed. Not a single attempt to prevent or dissuade an aggrieved group from immoral choices — be they German, Japanese, African American, or Hispanic — has ever succeeded.

The raid showed the Japanese that Americans would not cower in the face of their amoral ferocity. The Japanese were looking for any excuse to murder Chinese (Rape of Nanjing), and your supposition that those 250,000 would not have died may be partially true, but only because the Japanese are more likely than not to have found some other excuse to kill just as many.

Every sword has two edges, and I’m sick of people who call themselves conservatives denigrating a heroic mission because they think they know what might have happened otherwise. You have NO IDEA of what horrors that raid prevented.


24 posted on 04/19/2022 8:11:30 AM PDT by WhattheDickens? (Funny, I didn’t think this was 1984…)
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To: Theophilus

That is great.


25 posted on 04/19/2022 8:25:50 AM PDT by Retain Mike ( Sat Cong)
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To: SunkenCiv

You are welcome.


26 posted on 04/19/2022 8:26:30 AM PDT by Retain Mike ( Sat Cong)
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To: packrat35

You are welcome.


27 posted on 04/19/2022 8:26:57 AM PDT by Retain Mike ( Sat Cong)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

In always read books and write essays to discover what it was like to live into and through history. I have no sympathy for those who comment on what happened 50 to 250 years ago in this country in an effort to burnish their own purity before others.


28 posted on 04/19/2022 8:32:22 AM PDT by Retain Mike ( Sat Cong)
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To: Retain Mike

Jimmy Doolittle (et Al) is emblematic of an America that (seemingly) no longer exists. One in which the average citizen could be counted on to put his life on the line to preserve the very idea of America.

Even the fact that he managed to overcome the burden of a surname like “Doolittle” to become his own chapter in the history books shows what an un-ordinary man he was.


29 posted on 04/19/2022 8:34:23 AM PDT by Paal Gulli
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To: WhattheDickens?
Every sword has two edges, and I’m sick of people who call themselves conservatives denigrating a heroic mission because they think they know what might have happened otherwise. You have NO IDEA of what horrors that raid prevented.

Is it possible to have such a view on this topic that sees more than one side? (Apparently not.)

I've read "Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo" and I'm well aware of the heroism these men possessed in flying B-25s off a pitching aircraft carrier. As I am sure you know, the discovery of the American fleet by the Japanese fishing boats meant a premature launch; they flew off that ship knowing that they would not be able to reach their planned destinations. (If there is a better demonstration of heroism than what these men displayed that day, I'm all ears; tell me.)

I've only pointed out that the cost in human life (learned after the fact) was incredibly high in light of the benefits that the raid provided (which, by every admission of those involved, was primarily a morale-building operation for the American public).

I don't take anything away from the efforts those men made; each and every one of them was a giant.

But I think it looks something like a SWAT team backslapping each other over a dead hostage-taker as they step gingerly over the bodies of the hostages that the guy himself took out before they brought him down. There may have been no other way for them to go about it and they may have prevented an even larger loss of life, but I do think they would be more subdued in their congratulations.

30 posted on 04/19/2022 8:36:58 AM PDT by Captain Walker ("If you think tough men are dangerous, wait until you see what weak men are capable of."- J Peterson)
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To: Captain Walker

“If we knew that 250,000 Chinese would die as a result of what was largely a morale-building exercise, should we have asked China for that country’s input?”

No.


31 posted on 04/22/2022 3:55:54 AM PDT by PTBAA
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To: Retain Mike

A Navy seaman who was waving the B-25 crews to take off was thrown off balance and lost his arm in the prop. He still gave a salute to the crew taking off from the Hornet.


32 posted on 04/18/2025 9:53:59 PM PDT by jonrick46 (Leftniks chase illusions of motherships at the end of the pier.)
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To: Retain Mike
"The Chinese who spirited the others to friendly hands paid a terrible price. Hirohito was enraged and authorized a reprisal expedition into Chekiang and Kiangsi provinces. According to Curtis LeMay, the Japanese not only destroyed military bases and infrastructure, but turned villages into cinders and killed 250,000 civilians."

The Japs were especially savage, lighting off metal barrels with fuel and throwing babies stabbed with their rifle bayonets into the flames.

33 posted on 04/18/2025 10:03:16 PM PDT by jonrick46 (Leftniks chase illusions of motherships at the end of the pier.)
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To: Retain Mike

Thank you for your important post. It has more value for me than I can reveal at this time.


34 posted on 04/18/2025 10:07:18 PM PDT by jonrick46 (Leftniks chase illusions of motherships at the end of the pier.)
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To: Retain Mike

When I was growing up in Houston in the 60’s/70’s all the dads on the block were WW2 and Korean War veterans. Some had been wounded and some not, but they were all of the same mindset.


35 posted on 04/18/2025 10:13:00 PM PDT by Texas resident ( We finally have an American President again)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

The success of the Doolittle Raid was a tremendous blow to the moral of the Japanese people. They had a religious trust in the ability of their leaders; who they believed to be gods. This broken trust undermined the support of the Japanese people.

After the war, they were extremely receptive to Christianity that was brought to them by the Billy Graham Crusade.


36 posted on 04/18/2025 10:16:57 PM PDT by jonrick46 (Leftniks chase illusions of motherships at the end of the pier.)
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To: Retain Mike; rlmorel

An unknown history fact about preparations for the Doolittle Raid. A Lt. Fitzgerald was assigned by Jimmy Doolittle, with the task of flying a B-25C below regulations altitude, “on the deck,” from east to west and back, in January 1942. In order to gather information re what might be, or would be, encountered.

Lt. Fitzgerald and I had a mutual friend. Both men had dated sisters. And by chance, in the early 1970s, I met the younger of the two sisters.

Just a couple years before meeting her, I had seen a picture of her, taken just after she graduated from high school. Very cute.

I was walking by a putting green at the Santa Barbara Biltmore Hotel, and I saw her walking around the far side of the putting green. I recognized her immediately - from that distance, based on the old photo.

Later that evening, at the hotel’s seaside ballroom and dining hall, she walked up to me and asked me if I would like to dance with her. I declined because I was nervous; I liked her alot. I liked just being near her.

I still have her picture.

I still have a WRIGHT arrow patch (issued to a friend), one of only 17 issued to Wright Field (Dayton, OH) based U.S.A.A.C. then U.S.A.A.F. test pilots over the period from before and thru World War II —> the WRIGHT arrow patch worn by Jimmy Doolittle - see the photos of him on the deck of the USS Hornet.


37 posted on 04/18/2025 11:11:28 PM PDT by linMcHlp
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To: Lurkinanloomin

I did too! I got my first library card when I was eight years old, and the first book I checked out was “30 Seconds Over Tokyo”.

It set off a chain of B-25 models as I went from my pre-pubescence into my teens!

The movie remains one of my favorites to this day. It still tugs at my heart when I see, near the end, the shot of the elderly Chinese woman crying tears for the American pilots under a wartime poster.

And I also love the scene in the movie where he finds out he and his wife are going to have a baby! Love the aerial footage of the plane swinging from side to side in great arcs as the crew sings “Rock-a-bye Baby”!


38 posted on 04/19/2025 12:03:36 PM PDT by rlmorel ("A people that elect corrupt politicians are not victims...but accomplices." George Orwell)
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To: Retain Mike

Thank you for doing so. Those were real Americans. Everything about them.


39 posted on 04/19/2025 12:06:07 PM PDT by rlmorel ("A people that elect corrupt politicians are not victims...but accomplices." George Orwell)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thank you for putting that compilation of links together.


40 posted on 04/19/2025 12:07:10 PM PDT by rlmorel ("A people that elect corrupt politicians are not victims...but accomplices." George Orwell)
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