[ransomnote]

In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled Post Covid 'Vaccination' Adverse Events Through Through 03/25/2022 (more specific statistics now available) 74% of all post vax deaths in VAERS 30+ year history are for Covid 'vaccines', semimojo wrote:

THere's no formal study specific to your needs - the CDC/NIH would never allow the comparison you pretend…

semimojo wrote: That’s a paranoid conspiracy theory. I don’t subscribe to those and think it’s cheap of you to slander the tens of thousands of healthcare and public health professionals who are just trying to do their best. All just to explain away the obvious flaws in your arguments.

ransomnote responds: So because the corruption is well advanced after decades of people like Tony Fauci rewarding billions in tax payer dollars to those who play along with his dictates, pointing it out is now slandering those in medicine who do not? This is an advanced coup based on infiltration and you're insisting it's just 'not nice' to think and say things which expose it? Pathetic. I prefer the company of patriots, so it's very tedious interacting with your kind.

semimojo wrote: Besides, the CDC has no way to prevent such studies.

ransomnote responds: What part of 'medical empire based on graft, greed. grants. threats and leverage' don't you understand? The CDC has infiltrated colleges and medicine at every level - to prepare for 'Covid', they even federally licensed all the hospitals in the US. Wait, wait....I guess this is all too complex and well-organized after years of development for you to grasp. Let's get a chalk board out and I'll draw simple cartoons to help you catch up.....

Obviously, those in VAERS prior to Covid 'vaccine' administration did not receive the Covid 'vaccine'. Years and years of flu vaccine patients did NOT receive the Covid 'vaccine' - there were never death/stroke/paralysis/heart attack/blood clot spikes until the Covid 'vaccine' rollout.

semimojo wrote: What in the world are you going on about? I’ve said all along that VAERS isn’t a tool you can use to do this kind of analysis. Of course you can’t compare results from different times with different vaccines.

ransomnote responds: I'm talking about one of countless valid ways to prove that the Covid 'vaccines' are harmful. You keep pretending you have sufficient scientific knowledge to deduce 'the one way to prove...' after Steve Kirsch and other researchers have been proving this over and over using scientifically standard scientific and statistical methodology to prove the Covid 'vaccines' kill and maim.

"VAERS isn’t a tool you can use to do this kind of analysis." Of course it is, only you and the CDC claim it isn't. That's the problem, the CDC and your kind try to make it seem like there's NOTHING that can be deduced from VAERS data, and your side can't explain away data like this:

The closer to 'vaccine' administration, the higher the deaths - this is one ways to meet Bradford-Hill criteria for causality. Steve Kirsch and his team of medical and research experts have been begging the CDC/FDA to meet with his team to discuss this evidence as they are confident their data meets ALL of Bradford-Hill's causality criteria using VAERS alone. However, even promises of financial rewards (it was one or two million dollars in prize money - I forget which) will not entice corrupt government scientists to discuss the data exposing the fake 'vaccine' for which the goverment agencies are responsible (for some reason the government traitors don't want the world to know what they've done, are doing, to innocent people).

semimojo wrote: That’s exactly why I say we need to compare results in people who have taken the vaccines vs. those who haven’t - all since the vaccines became available.

ransomnote wrote: No, the reason why you say that is because the VAERS data exposes those in our government conducting biowarfare on the public. But don't cry yourself to sleep over VAERS, there are other ways to prove it as well. Go back to my prior posts and ignore the same two publications you pretend don't exist one more time - there are links to proof. Here, I'll post one of the links again:

 Watch Dr Josh Guetzkow discuss COVID-19 vaccine adverse events – America's Frontline Doctors (americasfrontlinedoctors.org) 

Dr. Josh Guetzkow went through the laborious process of identifying normal 'background levels' of symptoms following Covid 'vaccination' and comparing them to those same symptoms experienced after Covid 'vaccination'. He identified many significant, otherwise unexplainable elevations in injury/symptoms and that's why you and the CDC will continue to ignore his existance. Steve Kirsch has done similar work alongside experts who helped collect and compare the vaccinated and unvaccinated populations and the 'baseline' levels each experienced.

Oh but you and I both know that VAERS contains sufficient data to prove the 'vaccines are killing/maiming, and there are multiple means to prove the Covid vaccines are killing people, you just wanted to take VAERS off the table.

Note that I keep saying 'you'? I normally don't give your posts this much attention (not worth my time) but your first post to me on this thread reads like someone else wrote it for you and I thought, hey, if your helpers want to come out and play, why not? Besides, you and your kind can't win these arguments - the facts are not on your side.

Hey while you guys are busy playing the game, why not tell us all how Dr. Malone and Steve Kirsch end up being 'grifters' for speaking out against the lies and damage the CDC/NIH/FDA and your kind are spreading? I mean, Dr. Malone is enduring threats/abuse for having helped develop mRNA technology and speaking out against it - he was retired and enjoying his life. He trusted the medical establishment and was 'vaccinated himself.' I've not seen any targets of 'cancel culture' really strike it rich going against the Deep State's population reduction plan (i.e., Covid 'vaccines'). Steve Kirsch is a wealthy technology entrepreneur and you seem to be suggesting he needs money and operating a blog is his path to riches. This 'grifter' claim marks you as an unthinking troll.

You have no facts to support your accusation of over reporting...

Semimojo wrote: It isn’t “over reporting”. I think it stands to reason people would be more likely to report events following Covid vaccinations than tetanus, but I’ve been clear that that’s my opinion.

ransomnote wrote: Oh that's just weak. Are you folding up like a lawn chair already? You said I, ".... post evidence that there have been more reports to VAERS than for previous vaccines. A fact that no one disputes (as far as I know)."

What a freakish assertion on your part. While you've been out, we've watched the firings, canceling, threats and intimidation of doctors/nurses who try to report patients' experiences to VAERS, much less dispute any part of 'the CDC narrative' you are guarding. You can't really be implying that more Covid 'shots' means more VAERS reports by default because I've already posted LilFarmer's stats to you wherein she demonstrates that flu vaccines alone far outnumber Covid 'vaccines' in doses administered, but yet the Covid 'vaccines' have 74% of all reports of death to VAERS. 

Semimojo wrote: Again, that’s why we need some real evidence if we’re going to make extraordinary claims.

ransomnote wrote: Who is 'we'?  You're enabling the coup by pretending the hard evidence people like Steve Kirsch (and countless others) have been bringing to officials and members of the public doesn't exist. Just cover your eyes, and sing La La La "I can't hear you" and it has the same effect. Say if you want 1 million dollars, then debate STeve Kirsch and his team on the hard evidence they gathered. If what you say is true - easy money for you!  Yes, that's your idea of 'grifters' I guess; men who will pay government agents 1 million dollars just to debate the scientific merits behind the ghastly vaccines being forced upon the public.

Semimojo wrote: Opinion and anecdote aren’t enough.

ransomnote wrote: But that's all you have and yet you keep trying to use them like 'facts'. You just said "it stands to reason people would be more likely to report events following Covid vaccinations than tetanus..." That was your effort to dismiss the documented information in VAERS which exposes the toxic 'vaccines'. That's it - that's you using your opinion to dismiss documented facts.

Semimojo wrote: You then post more of Kirsch’s bad faith torturing of VAERS and someone’s criticism of the CDC’s reporting.

ransomnote wrote: Another opinion of yours offered in place of fact? Steve Kirsch and his team arrived at the ACIP meeting well prepared to prove their assertions and at one such meeting, the panel was unable to recommend the 'vaccine' for younger people based on his Team's solid evidence. But then Walensky ignored the panel's findings and recommended the toxic vaccines for children who don't need them long after the meeting so she didn't have to face the facts. 

Semimojo wrote:  You seem to think repeating the same flawed anecdotal adverse event analysis over and over in greater volumes is a valid substitute for actual evidence. It isn’t.

ransomnote wrote: VAERS is not anecdotal information. But you keep saying it is, over and over again - repeating the same flawed/fake/ridiculous and baseless content as if it is your strongest virtue.

Semimojo wrote:  As you know, adverse events happen across the population. Some happen to people who have gotten the Covid vaccines, some happen to those who haven’t.

Are those who have gotten the vaccines statistically more likely to have these events? If you can’t answer that question, with supporting evidence, you can’t credibly say the vaccines are harmful.

ransomnote wrote: Yes, those who have gotten the vaccines are statistically more likely to have these events (e.g., die). I and many have answered that question and at this point the only 'defenses' you offer include pffering your opinion to dismiss documented facts, repetition and pretending the evidence isn't real. Your tactics prove your malevolence - these are real people on the line and all you want to do is dance, and play off the obvious harm they are causing, and try to convince people put themselves into harm's way. 

[semimojo]

after decades of people like Tony Fauci rewarding billions in tax payer dollars to those who play along with his dictates, pointing it out is now slandering those in medicine who do not.

This isn't about Fauci. This is about the tens of thousands of medical professionals who you're accusing of intentionally misleading the public about the safety of these vaccines.

Regardless of leadership the people on the front lines examining the data, reviewing the deaths and other adverse events, etc.m know what they're seeing. You're accusing them of concealing very damaging information. That's slander of everyday healthcare workers and you can't escape it.

The CDC has infiltrated colleges and medicine at every level - to prepare for 'Covid', they even federally licensed all the hospitals in the US.

Yeah, yeah, the bogeyman did it, and if you don't believe in the bogeyman you must be in on the conspiracy.

Of course it is, only you and the CDC claim it isn't.

We'll, me, the CDC, and 99% of the public health experts in the world.

You, on the other hand, have a relatively tiny handful of fringe characters, like Kirsch who has zero medical training or background, most of whom are making money from their contrarian positions.

No, the reason why you say that is because the VAERS data exposes those in our government conducting biowarfare on the public.

LOL. The all-powerful CDC, which can manipulate the entire world's healthcare systems to perpetrate it's hoax, can't control and massage the information in a database it solicits and maintains.

Instead, brave, intrepid patriots are the only ones who “really” know what the data represent.

Do you ever stop to think about the implications of these conspiracy theories?

Dr. Josh Guetzkow went through the laborious process of identifying normal 'background levels' of symptoms following Covid 'vaccination' and comparing them to those same symptoms experienced after Covid 'vaccination'.

He did no such thing. He compared Covid vaccines to previous adverse event reporting for other vaccines. This might have some validity if he could show previous event reporting system had the same level of participation and people were exactly as likely to report an event for another vaccine as for Covid. Of course he can't do that.

You've stumbled upon a good approach - identifying the background level of events in the unvaccinated and comparing it to the vaccinated - but Guetzkow doesn't even attempt this, let alone succeed.

You seem to think that if you post enough mis-analysis of adverse event data the sheer volume will overcome the underlying fatal flaws in these self-reporting systems.

Hey while you guys are busy playing the game, why not tell us all how Dr. Malone and Steve Kirsch end up being 'grifters' for speaking out against the lies and damage the CDC/NIH/FDA and your kind are spreading?

You mean the Dr. Malone who believes the mRNA vaccine are safe and effective? So much so he and Peter Nevarro penned an op-ed in the Washington Times advocating giving them to our most vulnerable, highest risk population?

Of course, he doesn't advertise that position now that he's a media darling and making money from his Substack subscribers who would never stand for that stance.

As for Kirsch, as we know, once they've made money what many rich people really crave is attention.

Say if you want 1 million dollars, then debate STeve Kirsch and his team on the hard evidence they gathered.

It isn't the evidence that's wrong, it's the interpretation.

Yes, that's your idea of 'grifters' I guess; men who will pay government agents 1 million dollars just to debate the scientific merits behind the ghastly vaccines being forced upon the public.

Actually, that's a great indication of a grift. Serious people interested in scientific truth don't do public spectacle “debates” with entirely unqualified showmen like Kirsch. They do honest research, have it reviewed by peers, and publish it where the scientific community can evaluate and critique it.

They don't do carnival side shows.

That was your effort to dismiss the documented information in VAERS which exposes the toxic 'vaccines'.

No, VAERS says there more events self-reported after Covid vaccinations than after tetanus. Full stop. You take that uncontested fact and make a gigantic rhetorical leap to toxicity.

I asked: Are those who have gotten the vaccines statistically more likely to have these events? If you can't answer that question, with supporting evidence, you can't credibly say the vaccines are harmful.

Yes, those who have gotten the vaccines are statistically more likely to have these events (e.g., die). I and many have answered that question…

Interesting. VAERS and the other adverse event reporting systems don't have any data on the unvaccinated population yet you claim to have done a statistical analysis of events in vaccinated vs. unvaccinated.

Please provide your analysis and the sources of the data.