Posted on 03/16/2022 12:57:34 PM PDT by Tench_Coxe
"The American people stand strongly with the people of Ukraine... The Ukrainian people need those MiGs, and they need them now they needed them yesterday." - Chair Stefanik
Nazi Puffers are easy to spot and expose. Zero honesty.
Much of the world and it’s problems are none of our business, period. What mischief globalist meddlers funded by US taxpayer dollars may have generated is unfortunate but no reason to continue to generate the mischief. The answer is to let most of the world alone to deal with their problems in their way and for us to try and deal with ours, which are far greater and of much more real consequence to normal Americans than all the woes of other lands. The US is being invaded through a now non existent southern border. At the same time tens of millions of taxpayer dollars are being spent on the putative security of the Ukraine. Not in securing our frontiers. Nothing in all of Europe could possibly be of as much importance to normal Americans as the maintenance of the security of our borders. There is no foreign policy issue that comes close to bet as significant as dealing with the opioid epidemic or the destruction of our national production base.
What is the motivation of people like you?
Are you just so validated by your obsession with the surface glamour of some alien conflict that you see the very real, indeed existential struggle of, by your standards less enlightened or competent Americans, as unimportant and beneath your dignity? Or are you one of the not small constituency of Americans who supported by the taxes and lives of those you view with a patronizing contempt that borders on loathing, can devote yourself to the higher calling of meddling in the problems of distant lands?
A VERY conservative estimate of Iraqi civilians dead as a result of the US invasion is just over 200,000. But since the methods and effort of record-keeping are poor, the number is likely much higher. As for refugees from Iraq...well....do you really want to argue that there were small numbers of refugees? Bottom line: there’s just too much shameless propaganda about how the US fights war “cleanly” but everyone else gets kicks out of bombing children.
As for the “existential threat”...are you saying the Ukraine invasion is a “sure fire” existential threat to the US in distant future? I’d say the Neo-Cons have certainly got you paranoid if that’s what you think.
Much of the world and it’s problems are none of our business, period.
***Then we should never have signed the Budapest Agreement, period. We shoulda let the Ukes keep their nukes, period. And there would be no Rukes invading the Ukes, period.
What mischief globalist meddlers funded by US taxpayer dollars may have generated is unfortunate but no reason to continue to generate the mischief.
***It was not mischief. It was well considered attempt at reducing the number of dangerous nuclear weapons on the planet.
The answer is to let most of the world alone to deal with their problems in their way
***It turns out we agree on this. If we had simply let the Ukes keep those nukes, they would not be watching Russian tanks blowing up their school children.
and for us to try and deal with ours, which are far greater
***I agree with that as well, America First. But America put her nose in this bizness and it is in America’s best interest to assure the sovereignty of a country we said we would assure the sovereignty of. Because that country has 15 nuke power plants, the site of one of the worst nuclear disasters so they have plenty of learnings, fissionable material, enough knowledge to make nuke bombs, and now the motivation to make them — thanks to us.
and of much more real consequence to normal Americans than all the woes of other lands.
***We did the right thing in helping to dispose of nuke weapons that had the capacity to kill hundreds of millions of souls. Those are real consequences. And now when it’s time to do the right thing under the very same agreement, suddenly we have pantywaist p^ssy appeasers like you that no longer want to do the right thing.
The US is being invaded through a now non existent southern border.
***I KNOW. And I AGREE with you. But that is a separate issue, you’re using it as a red herring. Here’s a classic way to know that this much is true: Guys like you are silent on a thread that such discussions were invited:
At the same time tens of millions of taxpayer dollars are being spent on the putative security of the Ukraine.
***Right thing to do.
Not in securing our frontiers.
***That would also be the right thing to do.
Nothing in all of Europe could possibly be of as much importance to normal Americans as the maintenance of the security of our borders.
***Then take that up with congress, who seems willing to spend $17B on borders. That’s no reason to take the right thing to do and generate pretenses as if it is the wrong thing to do. It is also simply a red herring.
There is no foreign policy issue that comes close to bet as significant as dealing with the opioid epidemic or the destruction of our national production base.
***Then take that up with congress. You’re using that stuff as red herring argumentation on these threads.
What is the motivation of people like you?
***Logic. Doing the right thing. Keeping our word. Not encouraging a sovereign country to build nukes and blow the hell out of 200,000 Russkie civilians with the distinct possibility that the MFWIC [Muthah Fracker Who’s In Charge] will hurl nukes at Europe and us in response.
Are you just so validated by your obsession with the surface glamour of some alien conflict that you see the very real, indeed existential struggle of,
***Why can’t you just lay down a simple question rather than throw around a bunch of mousey words that turns your question into a hyperbole, a form of straw argumentation? Using your own words, let’s have a look at the SUBJECT of this thread: Ukraine. But you’re trying to use the red herring of illegal colonization on our own southern border to validate your own obsession with the surface glamour of the issue to denigrate an alien conflict which conceivably could generate hundreds of millions of casualties due to its nuclear nature, which is a true existential crisis. See how that works?
by your standards less enlightened or competent Americans,
***Where did I ever say or hint that? I didn’t. It is a straw argument.
as unimportant and beneath your dignity?
***No. Perhaps you could kindly take a critical thinking class and a writing class as well. Or is that beneath your dignity?
Or
***I smell a false dilemma classical fallacy. You sure use a lot of classic fallacies. Take that critical thinking class.
are you one of the not small constituency of Americans who supported by the taxes and lives of those you view with a patronizing contempt that borders on loathing,
***Yup, false dilemma. And now you’re just hurling insults around in the hopes that it sticks, kind of simply acting like a buttox wipe who doesn’t know how to present logical cases on things.
can devote yourself to the higher calling of meddling in the problems of distant lands?
***Distant lands? We can see Russia from some areas in Alaska. We have nukes pointed at their centers of population from subs as little as ten miles away, and they have similar nukes pointed at us. We SIGNED AN AGREEMENT about such nukes on a distant land, those Uke dudes honored that agreement and have been rewarded by 2 invasions of their land that we “assured” the sovereignty of. So if that agreement was worth the toilet paper you’re acting like, then it behooves them to build their own nukes — pronto. They have the knowledge, the experience with nuke protocols [Chernobyl is there], the fissionable material, 15 nuke power plants, and now the motivation to build such nukes. If they had never relinquished them in the first place, there would never have been 2 invasions, and we could talk about our own southern border all day long and twice on Sundays.
"We" was Bill Clinton. It was never ratified by the Senate.
I understand. And I perceive that the Ukes understand as well. “We” put one over on them. They gave up their nukes and have 2 invasions to show for it. So when they build their own nukes
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and blow the hell out of 200,000 Russians, people like you will be retreating back to your hideyholes. And there will be no putting that nuke genie back in that Bill Clinton bottle.
If meds = Zinc (w/Quercetin) and D3, I’m definitely on my meds.
Is this an elaborate setup for a new Polish joke? Remember September 1, 1939? I'd like to think the Poles will avoid being left holding the bag again.
then this loser should go there and fight for them
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