Posted on 03/04/2022 12:08:27 PM PST by chuckles
I'm aware of that, so what?
Putin is not Stalin
Want my take?
No.
You're not Putin, either.
Besides, last I checked, the Chinese also were cracking down on BLM/Homosexuals as well, and they’re still blatantly Communist.
So what?
Putin is not Xi, and Russia is not China.
There is one Government policy enforced where Communist China is not Communist at all, but you already know that.
IMO, his nukes may not even work. They are all at least 15-20 years old. Rockets have to be refreshed every few years. The only concerning thing for me is he has thousands of them and some are bound to work. I'm betting we have the upper hand in early detection and strike back.
The thinking I was trying to get across is if a bully bullies you and you don't say anything about it, you can expect to get bullied tomorrow and every day after that. The whole reason we are here today is because Biden told the world how he threatened "Corn Pop". Putin is laughing at him. China will be next on Taiwan before we can vote a Republican Congress back in. We won't even build a pipeline or drill in Anwar with Biden.
What's the difference n sending a few jets to Ukraine vs. sending 1000 stinger missiles? Somehow it crosses some imaginary line to send jets. Putin is playing Biden like a fiddle. We are playing checkers and Putin is playing chess.
“I’m aware of that, so what?
Putin is not Stalin”
No, but it IS precedence in a Communist country.
“I’m aware of that, so what?
Putin is not Stalin”
It certainly proves Putin is still Communist though. If he truly wasn’t communist, please explain why he is still keeping Lenin’s tomb in operation instead of bulldozing it the ground, or more blatantly, why he helmed a communist event recently in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzkLe-hOvgU Would YOU, as an anti-Communist, do any of those things, or would you do everything in your ability to wipe the communists out in ANY capacity?
“So what?
Putin is not Xi, and Russia is not China.
There is one Government policy enforced where Communist China is not Communist at all, but you already know that.”
If you’re referring to the fact that the Chinese technically allow for businesses to function in China, you clearly aren’t aware of how even Lenin, aka the guy who first brought the theory of Communism into practice not just in Russia, but the entire World, did something like that early into the old USSR, the New Economic Policy, and he was VERY adamant that not only did it NOT change anything about the USSR being Communist, but that if anything even with those changes (which he was forced to bring about due to it nearly causing the USSR to collapse early on), they are STILL to engage in their usual behavior of blatant terrorism.
Besides, let me remind you that Armand Hammer, a huge businessman who repeatedly tried to push in making trade deals with the USSR, was not only a Communist agent, but also a key KGB asset.
It "proves" nothing.
If he truly wasn’t communist, please explain why he is still keeping Lenin’s tomb in operation instead of bulldozing it the ground...
Not my job to "explain" Russia's management of Russian national monuments
Explain why America hasn't bulldozed the Washington Monument or the Jefferson Memorial, you're American, everyone knows they were White Supremacist Slavers.
... you clearly aren’t aware of how even Lenin, aka the guy who first brought the theory of Communism into practice not just in Russia, but the entire World...
Actually, I am more aware of that than you are.
...did something like that early into the old USSR, the New Economic Policy,...
Proving Lenin had the Power to send Communism to America and reduce it's negative effect on his source of that power, Russia, not that Communism works.
...and he was VERY adamant that not only did it NOT change anything about the USSR being Communist, but that if anything even with those changes (which he was forced to bring about due to it nearly causing the USSR to collapse early on),...
Proving again, that Lenin abandoned the key element of Communism (Economic Policy), and used Power to pretend publicly that he didn't.
Further, you admit that Lenin's Communism Light Economics DID collapse the Soviet Union, eventually, and I made no prediction on the eventual fate of Communist Light China.
Besides, let me remind you that Armand Hammer, a huge businessman who repeatedly tried to push in making trade deals with the USSR, was not only a Communist agent, but also a key KGB asset.
So what? That only proves that Lenin was effective in sending Communism to America, not that Communism works or that China didn't go to Communism Light to make their Economy work.Communism is about Power, not Communism, however you don't have to be a Communist to pursue Power, even in Russia.
“It “proves” nothing.”
Yes, actually, it does. Even Diana West, Ion Mihai Pacepa, and others MORE than made it clear that was proof, and they’re pro-Trump and anti-Deep State (not to mention in Pacepa’s case, had direct experience to what went on in the USSR’s intelligence systems).
“Explain why America hasn’t bulldozed the Washington Monument or the Jefferson Memorial, you’re American, everyone knows they were White Supremacist Slavers.”
You know full well they weren’t White Supremacist Slavers, unlike Lenin who IS in fact a huge mass murdering psychopath, which, BTW, plenty of Russians even admit currently. You yourself with that argument sound too much like a BLM leftist (since only BLM leftists engage in THAT kind of rhetoric).
“Proving Lenin had the Power to send Communism to America and reduce it’s negative effect on his source of that power, Russia, not that Communism works.”
Actually, even under Marx, it was all about power, or rather, about anarchy, it was NEVER about economics (that was just the excuse). What Marx’s specific design for Communism was is in fact a gorier rehash of Robespierre’s Reign of Terror. Besides, Marx was a notorious moocher who literally sponged after his own family and friends, one of whom, Engels, hailed from capitalists, aka, the guys he railed against. So saying it’s merely an economic theory is at best naive and at worse willful ignorance and/or lying. It’s as much an economic theory as Rules for Radicals was.
“Proving Lenin had the Power to send Communism to America and reduce it’s negative effect on his source of that power, Russia, not that Communism works.
“Proving again, that Lenin abandoned the key element of Communism (Economic Policy), and used Power to pretend publicly that he didn’t.
Further, you admit that Lenin’s Communism Light Economics DID collapse the Soviet Union, eventually, and I made no prediction on the eventual fate of Communist Light China.”
Seriously, if we were to go purely by the theory of Marxism as an economic policy, it collapsed even under Karl Marx himself due to literally sponging after his parents and Friedrich Engels’ parents.
“So what? That only proves that Lenin was effective in sending Communism to America, not that Communism works or that China didn’t go to Communism Light to make their Economy work. Communism is about Power, not Communism, however you don’t have to be a Communist to pursue Power, even in Russia.”
No, but you DO have to be a Communist to actually retain Marx’s bust within the public square, helm the Communist World Youth Conference at Sochi, claim Lenin’s relics were the same as Christian relics, make similar claims regarding the Communist Manifesto and the Ten Commandments, and outright claim that the greatest geopolitical disaster was in 1991 rather than 1917. All of which, BTW, Putin did. Ergo, communist. And for the record, I as an anti-Communist, like all humans, desire power, but I would NEVER embrace the Communists’ talking points to gain power. I if anything would turn around and make sure ALL Communists are jailed, executed, exiled, all of that, stop at NOTHING until the population of Communists is reduced to 0, not just in Russia, but the entire WORLD, here included.
The true key element of Communism is actually power, not economic policy. Again, that’s just the excuse, the cover to go about it. In fact, Communism technically predated Marx, and its prototype form occurred within the French Revolution. Even Marx admitted as much.
In fact, it’s not even a theory, it’s a bald faced lie, as even Karl Marx himself admitted in his private correspondences.
It’s going to be fun watching you screw up.
You’re sadly mistaken if you think Putin is actually concerned about Russia. He’s only concerned with Communism, as were all of them. Heck, even the BLM founders never actually lived the life of Marxism if we go by Marxist theories, only viewed her “followers” as cannon fodder, as did all Marxists up to Marx himself.
And I’m not even close to screwing up. For the record, I also am against BLM, but I also intend to make SURE all contingents are wiped out, across the globe, not limit myself to America in my case, but also to Europe and Asia as well.
No, you're waaay past that, now.
Not even way past that. Besides, I already cited plenty of people who made it clear that Putin if anything is still a Communist, not even a power-hungry tyrant, but a full-fledged commie.
Think about Iran threatening the world with nukes at the drop of a hat because they have nukes. This is exactly what N.Korea is doing and soon Iran. The minute Iran gets nukes it will trigger war with Israel because they cannot allow them to have nukes. We haven't committed to destroy Russia yet, but they are telegraphing they are going to blackmail the world to get what they want. Anyone can see how incompetent their military is. They have an economy about as big as Italy and only have oil, fertilizer, a few metals, and nukes to trade with. When they get desperate, they will most likely sell a nuke to Iran after they have cut off every everybody's oil. This morning they are threatening to leave America's astronaut in space.
I don't want to spend another minute with Russia blackmailing the US for anything when we could smash them like a bug in one afternoon. We live every day with the possibility of a sub launching a nuke off of NYC harbor, but because it's not on the news every day, we don't worry about it.
We operated for decades with the MAD threat over our heads. They must realize we have nukes also and they would be vaporized after the first attack. You can hear Biden and company talking about allowing Putin to use Tactical nukes as long as it doesn't cross a border. Does anybody remember Chernobyl and the plume that drifted over Europe?
Take it somewhere else.
If he weren’t a commie, he wouldn’t have kept Lenin’s mausoleum up and running (and if anything would at best bury his corpse in an unplotted mark of land, at worst make it the permanent decoration of a street lamp), he wouldn’t be rehabilitating Stalin, he wouldn’t have tried to criminalize any comparisons between the Nazis and the Soviets, he wouldn’t have made any comments in favor of Communism at all (ESPECIALLY not the egregious comparison between Communist documents and Lenin’s relics to that of the bible and saints, respectively), and he most certainly wouldn’t have Karl Marx’s statue still standing in Moscow. Even you have to acknowledge that bit.
I suggest you look at this site, BTW, that gives quite a bit of dirt on Putin’s Communist leanings:
https://www.outono.net/elentir/english/
And BTW, that site was in fact what I was alluding to earlier.
Take it someplace else.
First of all, I don’t support OWS, Antifa, or BLM, and if anything I outright loathe those groups, want them gone.
Second of all, I gave you sources from specifically Conservative voices, including an explicitly right-wing source from Spain, making very clear Putin is NOT good news. What I am is an anti-Communist, one who is consistently anti-Communist at that (ie, I hate both Putin and Xi, and also hate literally anyone who either is Communist or otherwise endorses Communist policies in ANY way). So I didn’t shout you down. Heck, I never even accused you of being one. And maybe you haven’t noticed, but the likes of OWS, Antifa, and BLM make it VERY clear from their leaders that they adhere to Communism.
And just as an FYI, the OWS, Antifa, and BLM types if anything WORSHIP Lenin, they wouldn’t DARE take down their idols or try to denounce Communism in any way only shows that I’m NOT using their rhetoric at all. And before you try to claim “But Putin denounced Lenin as well”, I’d like to point out that what he denounced was actually Lenin’s tactics, NOT his character.
You certainly act just like them.
...I gave you sources from specifically Conservative voices, including an explicitly right-wing source from Spain, making very clear Putin is NOT good news.
So what?
I am not required to read any of 'em, or repeat 'em back to you, in order to be dismissed.
It's OWS, Antifa, and BLM that require that.
I told you to take it somewhere else, instead you came back and raised the intensity of your propaganda toward me.
... maybe you haven’t noticed, but the likes of OWS, Antifa, and BLM make it VERY clear from their leaders that they adhere to Communism.
Maybe you haven’t noticed, but you're speaking to me exactly the way they do.
Read this carefully: Yawn, ... I don't care, take it somewhere else.
“You certainly act just like them.”
So, what do you want me to do? Capitulate to the OWS, Antifa, and BLM groups, parrot their propaganda, and beg in fear towards them? I have no intention of doing that. Besides, you know who ELSE acts like that? God! Jesus! Or maybe you’ve forgotten it was Jesus who demanded that anyone who is not for him in literally every single thing he does is against him.
“So what?
I am not required to read any of ‘em, or repeat ‘em back to you, in order to be dismissed.
It’s OWS, Antifa, and BLM that require that.
I told you to take it somewhere else, instead you came back and raised the intensity of your propaganda toward me.”
OWS, Antifa, and BLM also require for literally no morality or rules at all, and in fact shun anyone who dares adhere to absolutes. So using your argument, you could make the argument that you yourself are ALSO acting like them as well.
And BTW, Conservatives are in fact required to read and repeat back Conservative views. Heck, God requires us to read and repeat stuff he says as well. Does that make God OWS, Antifa, and BLM as well? Trick question: OWS, Antifa, and BLM hate God.
“Maybe you haven’t noticed, but you’re speaking to me exactly the way they do.
Read this carefully: Yawn, ... I don’t care, take it somewhere else.”
Yeah, and they say the EXACT same thing you do when someone tries to push actual facts towards them, believe in a factless society where there are no absolutes to guide them. Maybe you need to give that some thought.
And what if God himself said the exact same stuff to you, would you accuse him of being Antifa, OWS, or BLM?
Pardon me, I failed to realize you are equal to God.
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