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To: gracefullyparanoid

Having worked in education for over 30 years .... They have had 12 years of education on the taxpayer’s dime and they chose to continually not use that time to improve themselves.
***Nothing changes if nothing changes, to quote a phrase from 12 step programs. If you had spent those 30 years in a system of education with vouchers, where the kids who are motivated to get every penny’s worth of 12 years to get as much college education as they could, and where the kids who were unmotivated get to sit in disruptable babysitting ‘classroooms’ not pulling down others like crabs in a bucket... well then shiite woulda changed where shiite shoulda changed.

it would appear to me that what you are seeing is that it is the behaviors associated with people who are education resistant that lead to low literacy and low incomes and not the other way around. The schools are full of educationally resistant kids, and in the inner cities the numbers of JERKS (Just Educationally Resistant Kids) increases all the time.

The pattern to me seems to be fatherless children, with extremely young uneducated mothers who prefer taking their government checks to get their nails done, and iphones rather than making sure their kids learn and read. No discipline is instilled in their children and they cannot function in a setting that expects personal responsibility and self control. Gang membership, theft, constant fighting and disruptive behavior in classes is the norm. These are the reasons they are not literate, and they don’t care that they can’t read and don’t know anything. Literacy and learning are not culturally supported and not supported in their families.

Teaching them to be more literate, which they will resist, is not going to take away the other causes of lower income. For most that I have seen, they are “poor” because they continually make very poor choices and do not take responsibility for themselves.


83 posted on 03/03/2022 7:23:10 AM PST by Kevmo (I’m immune from Covid since I don’t watch TV.🤗)
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To: Kevmo
"Having worked in education for over 30 years .... They have had 12 years of education on the taxpayer’s dime and they chose to continually not use that time to improve themselves.

***Nothing changes if nothing changes, to quote a phrase from 12 step programs. If you had spent those 30 years in a system of education with vouchers, where the kids who are motivated to get every penny’s worth of 12 years to get as much college education as they could, and where the kids who were unmotivated get to sit in disruptable babysitting ‘classroooms’ not pulling down others like crabs in a bucket... well then shiite woulda changed where shiite shoulda changed.

it would appear to me that what you are seeing is that it is the behaviors associated with people who are education resistant that lead to low literacy and low incomes and not the other way around. The schools are full of educationally resistant kids, and in the inner cities the numbers of JERKS (Just Educationally Resistant Kids) increases all the time.

The pattern to me seems to be fatherless children, with extremely young uneducated mothers who prefer taking their government checks to get their nails done, and iphones rather than making sure their kids learn and read. No discipline is instilled in their children and they cannot function in a setting that expects personal responsibility and self control. Gang membership, theft, constant fighting and disruptive behavior in classes is the norm. These are the reasons they are not literate, and they don’t care that they can’t read and don’t know anything. Literacy and learning are not culturally supported and not supported in their families.

Teaching them to be more literate, which they will resist, is not going to take away the other causes of lower income. For most that I have seen, they are “poor” because they continually make very poor choices and do not take responsibility for themselves.

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113 posted on 03/03/2022 8:54:26 AM PST by EnigmaticAnomaly ("The truth doesn't damage points of view that are legitimate.")
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To: Kevmo
The pattern to me seems to be fatherless children, with extremely young uneducated mothers who prefer taking their government checks to get their nails done, and iphones rather than making sure their kids learn and read. No discipline is instilled in their children and they cannot function in a setting that expects personal responsibility and self control. Gang membership, theft, constant fighting and disruptive behavior in classes is the norm. These are the reasons they are not literate, and they don’t care that they can’t read and don’t know anything. Literacy and learning are not culturally supported and not supported in their families.

The answer to "why?" is often "Because they can, and it feels good".

Up until the last few centuries, the penalty for being stupid was death. Death by starvation, or by some other means, but stupidity would still get you killed eventually.

Charity, especially government charity, subverts this process, and allows the stupid to expand until they reach the limits of society's ability to deal with them.

133 posted on 03/03/2022 11:23:45 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (We live in a time where intelligent people are being silenced so stupid people won’t be offended)
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