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So the only issue is that not enough money, time and effort has been spent on LENR in the last more than 30 years?
***Close enough for a skeptopath to understand the issue.

And if it had been we’d have Jetson flying cars by now? May I ask what LENR has to do with flying cars? LOL!!!
***Yeah, you may ask. The issue is not enough power lasting long enough time and being cheap enough. LENR will do that. Centralized CHF will NOT. Fossil-fueled planes have not, over the 100 years we’ve had to perfect the VTOL flying car.

You are living in some sort of whacked out fantasy land.
***Then maybe it’s a good idea for you to stay off LENR threads as you have stated you already are doing. When LENR breaks out, I don’t want any of you Glenn Curtiss types trying to take credit for your efforts at throwing sand at the oysters as if your contribution was meant to be constructive.

Here is the reality.
***One of the last places on earth I would search for reality is from a skeptopath.

Fortunes have been lost pursuing LENR over the past 3 decades from both government and private sources.
***Guvmint fortunes have been lost? I think you have your signals crossed because guvmint fortunes have been lost on Controlled HOT Fusion but very little guvmint money in comparison has been spent on cold fusion. It’s $Millions lost versus $Billions. Asked & Answered: Cold Fusion is 25 ORDERS of MAGNITUDE better bang for the buck than Controlled Hot Fusion (CHF).
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/4000502/posts?page=45#45

The reason funding from private and government sources has mostly dried up is because after tireless
***More like cursory. From the asked & answered thread, a quote from Jed Rothwell:

Actually, to be a little more historically accurate, they did not try to replicate P&F. They tried to replicate one aspect of P&F, which unfortunately, P&F themselves got wrong. What they did in most cases was: set up an electrochemical cell with a palladium cathode and heavy water, and then look for neutrons. They did not look for excess heat, and they did not measure some critical parameters such as loading. P&F reported neutrons, but most people soon concluded that part of their paper was wrong. Fleischmann himself thought it was a mistake. He told me that in person, at MIT. Excess heat is the most critical parameter. It is the “principal signature of the reaction” as Fleischmann put it. If you don’t see excess heat, you don’t have cold fusion, so there is no point to looking for anything else. It is like fishing in a dry hole, as Ikegami put it. The other mistake made by many hot fusion and high energy physicists was to do the experiment without consulting with electrochemists. They made many mistakes. Enough to eliminate any chance of success. As I put it, they were trying to tune a piano with sledge hammer. See p. 11: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJlessonsfro.pdf Electrochemists who reviewed other experiments discovered similar errors, such as confusing the anode and the cathode. I suppose that if a group of electrochemists were to try to build a Tokomak plasma fusion reactor without consulting with plasma physicists, they would make similar mistakes.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3963819/posts?page=15#15

examination over months, years and decades with hundreds of millions of dollars being spent...
***of private money versus hundreds of billions of dollars in public money pissed down the CHF rathole.

Fleischmann and Pons’s observations have been thoroughly and completely discredited.
***They have been replicated hundreds of times by the top notch names in electrochemistry. I’ll believe them over some skeptopath like you.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3963819/posts

The scientific community came to an overwhelming consensus
***Really? You’re the one who brought up global warming which only sticks around because of “overwhelming scientific community consensus” when we all know it’s simply bullshiite. And if there’s such consensus then why is NASA and ARPA-E buying into it? Because there AINT consensus.

years ago that the effect was completely unpredictable
***Yeah. Unpredictable is a legit description of LENR, especially when people who are unfamiliar with electrolysis and electrochemistry are doing it.

or nonexistent
***Bullshiite.

and that experimental errors had been made.
***Feel free to point out those experimental errors. It’s amazing to me how often people say this but can’t point to those incredibly obvious experimental errors that lab rat electrochemists have been slipping into for so many years.

The research was almost all universally condemned,
***Now you’re just regurgitating that bullshiite consensus argument again.

and cold fusion became synonymous with junk science
***Does NASA push junk science? Are they looking for bigfoot? How about ARPA-E? You’re just doing the same consensus bullshiite, using different angles and wording, but it’s still bullshiite.

to the point that it had to be renamed LENR.
***I like the LENR tag. Nice and short, suggesting that it might even be fission that’s going on [after all, there are several theories postulating that it is fusion + fission]. There would be no need for any renaming if we could just get guys like you to shut up or stay honest.

The big money including private investment directed toward fusion power is still out there in fact there is more than ever.
***CHF fraud is far bigger than cold fusion. Even you acknowledge this to be the case by saying what you just said.

Almost all of it is going in other directions other than LENR.
***CHF versus LENR. Asked & Answered: Cold Fusion is 25 ORDERS of MAGNITUDE better bang for the buck than Controlled Hot Fusion (CHF).
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/4000502/posts?page=45#45

Your proclamations that if the money was going toward hucksters and charlatans
***Uhh, if the money were going to regular honest electrochemists, so FOAD with this straw argumentation.

that we would be in Jetson type flying cars is ridiculous.
***Not when you realize that the energy density of LENR is 5000X that of gasoline.

Commonwealth Fusion Systems raised more than $1.8 billion last year from Bill Gates and many others.
***They are what you would call “hucksters and charlatans”. Just this ONE case proves that far more money is being scammed due to CHF than cold fusion.

If LENR had similar chances of success big money would be knocking on LENR researcher’s doors.
***Now it’s time to ridicule YOUR lack of owning up to reality. You completely ignore the politics behind what’s going on in nuke physics.

Strangely it is not.
***Not so strangely, dude. You even acknowledge the political angle upthread. What’s strange is dealing with skeptopaths like you.

Why are all of your impeccable sources ignored?
***NASA is ignoring it? ARPA-E is ignoring it? It is not ignorance, it is just scientists knowing that their careers will suffer if they go into this field due to all that bullshiite politics that you are ignoring.

What is your theory as to why this is?
***That would be explaining to a dog why he aint allowed on the meat truck — you do not have the capacity to understand and you obviously don’t even WANT to understand, so why bother? If your hopes are so pinned on CHF then why aren’t YOU looking at all the failures and disappointment that’s been generated by the hundreds of $Billions lost rather than the supposed dozens of millions lost due to looking into cold fusion? Because you’re just a skeptopath, that’s why. Sadly, that answers the question.