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To: Keflavik76
Ooh, tracing family bloodlines us right up my alley. I suspect this has already been done for Soros and Merkel?

I know John Jacob Astor (of Waldorf Astoria Hotel in NYC) died on the Titanic. He was last seen standing near the poop deck when one of the huge steam funnels came crashing down, so it was widely assumed he was crushed. He was one of the wealthiest men in the world at the time. Is Q insinuating he didn’t really die? But maybe went into hiding?

I did my high school senior term paper on the Titanic, so I read everything I could find about it long before that movie came out. I should watch it again to see who lived in the movie who died in reality.

877 posted on 01/20/2022 3:36:59 PM PST by ponygirl (An Appeal to Heaven )
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To: ponygirl; Keflavik76

I recently saw a documentary that claimed Capt. Smith was hired to sink Titanic for the insurance and that the “tradition” of the captain always going down with his ship is a fiction created (through repetition in print, film, etc.) to provide cover for Smith’s despicable decision.

He should have remained alive not only to lead his crew in the evacuation of the passengers but to give testimony to a board of inquiry.

Capt. Smith’s decision to go down with Titanic was strange as well as cowardly but if he did scuttle the greatest ship afloat with 1500 lives lost, it does make sense.


899 posted on 01/20/2022 4:48:14 PM PST by Oratam (As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways....)
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To: ponygirl

Astor was supposedly against the Federal Reserve. So he had to ‘go’.


924 posted on 01/20/2022 6:25:39 PM PST by smileyface ("The illuminati's whole philosophy demands the use, abuse, sacrifice and consumption of children.")
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To: ponygirl
There is a conspiracy theory that J.P. Morgan invited John Astor, Isador Strauss & Benjamin Guggenheim on the Titanic's maiden voyage to get rid of his major opposition to a centralized banking system, i.e., the Federal Reserve.

Reuter's, however, has assured me that is incorrect. See:

CORRECTED-Fact Check-J.P. Morgan did not sink the Titanic to push forward plans for the U.S. Federal Reserve

964 posted on 01/20/2022 7:51:11 PM PST by LSAggie
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