[Steve_Seattle]

From the article: "According to the Office for National Statistics (ONS), since July 2 there have been 9,619 excess deaths in England and Wales, of which 48 per cent (4,635) were not caused by Covid-19."

I suppose you can argue that it's not true, but it contradicts your claim that ALL excess deaths are due to the Corona virus. And why should more people die of the Corona virus in 2021 - with widespread vaccination and an extra year to work out effective treatments - than in 2020, when hardly anyone was vaccinated and doctors were still experimenting with various treatments?

[bagster]

You're a pretty good arguer, Steve. I've been watching you.

[Owen]

Guys, you are missing it.

Excess Deaths are all causes. You have to know how to read the graphs. You cannot look at this week’s ED numbers. They haven’t accumulated yet. Death data trickles in. So the correct data is 3-4 weeks back. You can see this effect in ED curves by noting they always crash in the most recent weeks. They crash because the counts are not in yet.

Did more heart attacks occur since Covid arrived than before it? Probably. People didn’t go to the doc. But the single greatest value of ED curves is they are available by age. On the webpage scroll down to update dashboard. Click the weekly deaths by age button and then update.

The recent upsurge in US cases and very recent uptick in deaths cannot be seen. It is too recent But the July-September rise is very clearly that, and it corresponds directly with the Covid death curves week to week.

There is no magic here. The virus kills people. Been doing it everywhere. Particularly Russia. They have no mRNA vaccine. Sputnik V is viral vector, but people still die.

Lastly, have a look at the ED curves of 2020 and how they track the Covid death curves week to week. The temporal correspondence is there pre vax and post vax.