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To: DiogenesLamp
"I don't split American history into different categories."

Eras is probably a better word but regardless, American history does have readily identifiable ebbs and flows that allow for compartmentalization in discussions.

"I actually don't think I said a thing about the civil war in this discussion."

You didn't use that specific phrase; however, you did say in post 9: "Subsequent generations have reinterpreted it to be a condemnation of slavery" Your posting history in general and yours/my past discussions in particular have trended into CW talk even in non-CW topics. It is the most obvious and likely subsequent generation coming from you. - likewise, a comment like that would be most likely coming from me to be in the context of the early 20th century progressive era.

"Do you know of a more significant example of "historical malpractice" than that of people trying to make the Declaration of Independence about slavery?"

The way the question sits regarding the Declaration is unanswerable. Need clarity. Do you mean:

Do you know of a more significant example of "historical malpractice" than that of people trying to make the Declaration of Independence wholly and solely about slavery?

or:

Do you know of a more significant example of "historical malpractice" than that of people trying to make the Declaration of Independence in part about slavery?

The omitted items make a world of difference. Which question did you want me to answer?

"I welcome anyone suggesting another example of historical malpractice"

I think the entire body of work in regard to the Progressive Era takes the cake. The whole thing is a massive and flagrant coverup. Hence my username, and hence my main-target open source audiobooks.

27 posted on 11/12/2021 3:21:09 PM PST by ProgressingAmerica (Public meetings are superior to newspapers)
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To: ProgressingAmerica
You didn't use that specific phrase; however, you did say in post 9: "Subsequent generations have reinterpreted it to be a condemnation of slavery" Your posting history in general and yours/my past discussions in particular have trended into CW talk even in non-CW topics. It is the most obvious and likely subsequent generation coming from you.

I was actually thinking of the generation shortly after the Declaration of independence. They immediately started using the "all men are created equal" statement as justification for abolishing slavery, starting with Massachusetts adopting it into their 1780 Constitution. Liberal courts decided that this phrase in the Massachusetts constitutions meant that Massachusetts had abolished slavery by the adoption of this statement.

This is the exact sort of liberal lying that we have seen over and over again with liberal courts "interpreting" the US Constitution to mean things it was never intended to mean, such as the 14th Amendment creating a right to abortion.

It was this era that initiated the deliberate misinterpretation, and this misinterpretation simply got stronger from that point forward.

Do you know of a more significant example of "historical malpractice" than that of people trying to make the Declaration of Independence wholly and solely about slavery?

or:

Do you know of a more significant example of "historical malpractice" than that of people trying to make the Declaration of Independence in part about slavery?

I think either is correct depending on the people doing it and the time in which they were doing it. I think nowadays the Declaration of Independence has become entirely about slavery, and the only words modern people remember from it are "all men are created equal", but I think in the earlier part of the 19th century, they remembered what the Declaration was about, but they made conscious efforts to make it about slavery in an effort to further Abolition.

I think the entire body of work in regard to the Progressive Era takes the cake. The whole thing is a massive and flagrant coverup. Hence my username, and hence my main-target open source audiobooks.

To what specific thing in the progressive era do you refer? For myself, the only thing that comes to mind is Margaret Sanger's effort to control the population of "human weeds" through her reproductive planning and abortion efforts. Nowadays this behavior is ignored through a historical "omerta" or explained away as her being a "product of her time."

People nowadays try to cover up the reality of her efforts because it is too uncomfortable for them to face up to the truth of what she was doing and why.

I'm trying to think of another example of historical malpractice related to the progressive era, but nothing is coming to mind at the moment.

30 posted on 11/12/2021 3:48:23 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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