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Also in the news conference, Santa Fe law enforcement identified the gun used as a Pietta long colt 45 caliber revolver such as this:

In other words, it was not a cap and ball revolver that some here have tried to claim. It was a real antique replica revolver loaded with live ammunition. It was handled by at least three people, including Baldwin, before the fatal shooting.

1 posted on 10/27/2021 11:21:37 AM PDT by Avalon Memories
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It is a cap and ball that has been “converted” to cartridge use. Looks like a Colt dragoon.

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38 posted on 10/27/2021 11:50:54 AM PDT by Celtic Conservative (My cats are more amusing than 200 channels worth of TV.)
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Saw the presser, between stupid comments like "filmmakers showed "complacency" toward safety and the DA giggling, I suspect the investigation will show complacency and everyone walks.
42 posted on 10/27/2021 11:55:18 AM PDT by 1Old Pro (Let's make crime illegal again!)
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The gun aimed and fired itself?


43 posted on 10/27/2021 11:56:06 AM PDT by Pajamajan ( PRAY FOR OUR NATION. NEVER be a peaceful quiet slave in a new socialist America.)
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Interesting contradiction in recent reports:

According to a search warrant, Gutierrez-Reed told authorities she had checked the pistol used by Baldwin before putting it on the prop table.

and

The warrant says she felt the gun was ready for use. The assistant director David Halls told a different story. Halls is the person who took the gun off the prop table and handed it to Baldwin.

Yet, we are also told:

He admitted not fully checking all the rounds as Gutierrez-Reed passed it to him.

This could just be sloppy reporting, but chain of custody is important. Was the gun left on the prop table where the AD picked it up, or did the armorer hand it to him? I suspect the former.

https://radaronline.com/p/alec-baldwin-shooting-rust-armor-hannah-gutierrez-reed-denies-negligence-sheriff/

46 posted on 10/27/2021 11:58:13 AM PDT by Fido969 (45 is Superman!)
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So someone got shot and the sheriff declares it was by a live bullet. Geez, what else good have have been?


48 posted on 10/27/2021 12:01:16 PM PDT by dblshot
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Apparently this is the armorer:


52 posted on 10/27/2021 12:15:39 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (THE ISSUE IS NEVER THE ISSUE. THE REVOLUTION IS THE ISSUE.)
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1. Movie companies NEVER use live ammo on a set: insurance companies would shut anyone down who tried it. Actors are for the most part, idiots - and handing a loaded firearm to any of them would be tantamount to culpable negligence.

2. If, as has been alleged, that some people on the site used the guns that are also used on the movie for live fire, that would a huge violation of safety and culpable negligence. It is interesting that they were using weapons that were capable of loading live ammunition, since Hollywood guns usually have "short chambers" to prevent live ammo from being chambered.

3. Revolvers are very easy to examine if their cylinders loaded with live ammo: all anyone had to do was look at the face of the cylinder (with the barrle pointed away from your face) with the hammer at half-cock to see if there were any bulleted cartridges in the cylinder.

4. Has anyone considered the likelihood that as disgruntled, just-fired union technician intentionally loaded that pistol and placed it into the cart tp "get even"?

60 posted on 10/27/2021 12:23:37 PM PDT by Chainmail (Frater magnus te spectat)
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Is this a test?


61 posted on 10/27/2021 12:24:31 PM PDT by Renkluaf
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All three are guilty to varying degrees. Baldwin is the most culpable as both the boss and the asshat that was either too stupid or lazy to bother to pop out the cylinder to inspect the rounds in the chambers.

I wonder if the police tested Baldwin for drugs and/or alcohol? A dime to a dollar that they did it.


64 posted on 10/27/2021 12:28:27 PM PDT by WMarshal ("Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither.")
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Not an “accidental fatal shooting”, but was negligent homicide, either.


76 posted on 10/27/2021 1:22:07 PM PDT by ro_dreaming ("We seem to have gone from 'We the people' to 'Me, the president' in a scant 8 months." - Me)
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Old, fat Alec Baldwin doing a western movie sounds really boring. Yawn. I hope he gets manslaughter charges at the very least. Idiot.
81 posted on 10/27/2021 1:40:57 PM PDT by lwd
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The gun did not fire the shot. Baldwin fired the shot. Guns are inanimate objects unable to fire themselves.


82 posted on 10/27/2021 1:48:13 PM PDT by gunnut
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Those damn live bullets. They just jump out of a gun and zoom across the room by themselves.


84 posted on 10/27/2021 2:04:43 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn’t common anymore.)
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Keanau Reeves action training for John Wick movies.

https://youtu.be/Xii9_oWQ7HY

94 posted on 10/27/2021 2:49:20 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn’t common anymore.)
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“live bullet”...really? None of the ammunition I have ever owned, seen, or used has been “live.” All have been inert, never live, as in “alive.” Munitions are things. They do not live. As Rush frequently said, “Words mean things.”


97 posted on 10/27/2021 5:12:19 PM PDT by Tudorfly (All things are possible within the will of God.)
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isn’t the chain of custody in a sense broken between the armorer and the AD?

to me, that illustrates (1) lax procedures or lax enforcement of good procedures, (2) a theoretical possibility that someone unknown (ie, a saboteur) could have loaded the gun with a live round while the gun was on the tray, and (3) there might not be much chance of pinning either civil or criminal blame on the armorer (even if she is “guilty” of being a ditz and allowing a live round to sneak in among dummy rounds).

it also sounds possible that no one present knew how to unload and load this particular gun, which does not have the more familiar swing out cylinder, and the people present did not want to be embarrassed in front of the crew, and stop the rehearsal to fetch the armorer.


120 posted on 10/29/2021 9:21:30 PM PDT by SteveH (.)
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