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My heat pump has me left in the cold... but I'm VERY hot and bothered about the PM's eco-jollity (UK)
DAILYMAIL.COM ^ | 22 October 2021 | JOHN HUMPHRYS

Posted on 10/23/2021 4:33:44 AM PDT by dennisw

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To: know.your.why

I am replacing my 16 year old HVAC system Monday. I live on the Washington coast and the saltwater corrosion wreaked havoc on my Goodman heat pump.

Fortunately I have a dual fuel system. When it gets below 32 degrees the heat pump shuts off and the propane furnace takes over.

The new system is a Trane also dual fuel. No way in Hell could a heat pump alone keep us warm even in our temperate climate. And the libs out here have started a war against natural gas. Watch out as this craziness moves east.


41 posted on 10/23/2021 7:06:41 AM PDT by bigfootbob (ALL Biden VOTERS have BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS….Ann Archy)
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To: cgbg

Heatpumps can be put in for little or even no additional cost when replacing AC. I’ve done them for some of the lowest end projects as well.

The biggest deal is doing the correct calculations and picking the right equipment for the job. It’s 5th grade math but most people simply don’t take the time to do it.

Of course it’s definitely more idiot proof to slap in a 200% oversized gas heater and call it a day. You save a few hours of math but lose much more in equipment, materials and energy. For this reason many cities are now mandating engineering of any new HVAC


42 posted on 10/23/2021 7:29:59 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: varyouga

The heat pump is always going to blow colder air than a combustion furnace. So it’s never going to feel as comfortable. It does make a robust AC due to the high volume of air moving.


43 posted on 10/23/2021 7:36:18 AM PDT by nascarnation (Let's Go Brandon!)
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To: varyouga
Even at 92F supply (20 degree delta above 72F room temp)

My body temp is 98.6. That 92 degree air coming out of my vent feels lukewarm at best. A heater is supposed to feel heat. Heater-heat-heater. See how that works? 92degree air coming out of a vent when its 25-35 outside aint gonna do diddly.
44 posted on 10/23/2021 7:38:19 AM PDT by know.your.why (If you dont watch the MSM you are uninformed. If you do watch the MSM you are misinformed.)
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To: know.your.why

Skin temperature is far lower than internal and you shouldn’t be blowing the HVAC air directly on people. The idea is to keep the room itself at 72F without big drafts where people are located.

Of course it also depends on insulation and seal. Many contractors don’t even properly install the minimum code insulation so you get drafts from outdoors.

I have clients with proper code minimum insulation perfectly satisfied with as little as 82F supply temperature.

Every single complaint I had was due to improper insulation and never equipment or design


45 posted on 10/23/2021 7:50:17 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: nascarnation

Higher supply temp is only necessary where you have extremely poor insulation causing drafts. Like brick without any insulation at all.

I have clients perfectly satisfied with 82F supply and 0F degrees outside with current code minimum insulation.


46 posted on 10/23/2021 7:57:53 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: bjc

We have a ground source system for AC and heat.
Four 200 foot wells under the driveway.

Works cheap.


47 posted on 10/23/2021 8:01:11 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Baseball players, gangsters and musicians are remembered. But journalists are forgotten.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Y’all keep warm n happy this winter. Will be interesting to see how slow joe manages to screw things up even more this winter.


48 posted on 10/23/2021 8:04:44 AM PDT by know.your.why (If you dont watch the MSM you are uninformed. If you do watch the MSM you are misinformed.)
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To: bjc

Q: “...who considers a ground-sourced geothermal heat pump system without thinking about the cost of electricity?”

A: Ignorant liberals who have no idea how the world works.


49 posted on 10/23/2021 8:17:15 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (“Everything Woke turns to shit.” ~ President Donald Trump)
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To: dennisw

My heat pump puts out lukewarm air — WAH!!

“...this is a moral issue. We must do everything in our power to repair the terrible harm we have already done and, above all, stop it getting even worse.” — WAH, WAH, WAH!!!!

Good Lord...here we have a true-believer in the “save the earth” cause but he won’t put up with the mildest of inconveniences?

This is just a foretaste of the main course to come. Just wait until he can’t afford to drive his car or take an airplane flight or his food costs 10X more than today. He will really be howling then.


50 posted on 10/23/2021 8:21:19 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (“Everything Woke turns to shit.” ~ President Donald Trump)
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Everyone’s idea of what “toasty warm” is differs. My sister has a heat pump and I shiver in her house from Fall until late Spring. If it’s ever above 70 degrees in there I’d be surprised. Even with warm clothing, I need to be in a room that’s set at 74 or even 75 to feel comfortable, I just run cold. I’ll sit out in 90+ weather and feel great, and I often exceed the recommended sauna and hot tub times just because it feels so nice in there. Perhaps I am part lizard?


51 posted on 10/23/2021 8:28:43 AM PDT by twyn1
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

“Four 200 foot wells”

Those must not have been cheap to drill.


52 posted on 10/23/2021 8:41:25 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (“Everything Woke turns to shit.” ~ President Donald Trump)
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Not cheap.
But pay-back vs. traditional unit was just less than five years.

We built in 2002...


53 posted on 10/23/2021 8:58:47 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Baseball players, gangsters and musicians are remembered. But journalists are forgotten.)
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To: dennisw

A cold winter in the UK will mean deaths due to the effects of hypothermia especially among the elderly who cannot afford their energy bills. Those of us living in the northern plains of the US can often experience the polar vortex effect which funnels arctic cold to the Great Plains and plunges temperatures into the -40F range. Short winter days and the doldrum winds that come with these events mean windmills and solar farms are worthless to keep people from literally freezing to death. We have to look at nothing more than the havoc caused by the Texas blackouts last year to see what is in store for the country under Biden’s energy policies.


54 posted on 10/23/2021 9:08:34 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("Socialists are happy until they run out of people's money." Margaret Thatcher)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

That’s a darn good payback!


55 posted on 10/23/2021 9:20:30 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (“Everything Woke turns to shit.” ~ President Donald Trump)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

But surely you factored in the cost of electricity when you decided on investing in geothermal?


56 posted on 10/23/2021 10:52:43 AM PDT by bjc (Show me the data!)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Q: “...who considers a ground-sourced geothermal heat pump system without thinking about the cost of electricity?”

A: Ignorant liberals who have no idea how the world works.

To answer my own question, I think people who do not think about the cost of electricity when installing a heat pump are the same people who believe that Governments have money and that free stuff costs nothing. These are all forms of magical thinking. Small children, teenagers and liberals all fall into this category.


57 posted on 10/23/2021 11:07:15 AM PDT by bjc (Show me the data!)
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To: bjc

It is the same small child thinking that Socialism and Communism will work if only done by the “right people.”


58 posted on 10/23/2021 12:52:45 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (“Everything Woke turns to shit.” ~ President Donald Trump)
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To: bjc

You betcha


59 posted on 10/23/2021 1:29:38 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Baseball players, gangsters and musicians are remembered. But journalists are forgotten.)
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To: dennisw
Heat pumps work in theory.

In reality, they are not that great unless you are prepared to do a great deal of tinkering.

And the UK does not really get that cold.

60 posted on 10/23/2021 1:38:04 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (add a dab of lavender in milk, leave town with an orange and pretend you're laughing with it)
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