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Pump or semi-auto shotgun?
Me | 10/2/2021 | Paul R

Posted on 10/02/2021 9:37:51 PM PDT by Paul R.

For home defense at a very budget constrained price, what do FReepers (or their sources) think: Semi-auto or pump action 12 ga. shotgun? Semi-auto will deliver the most stopping power in a very short time, but might it be less reliable? Other considerations?


TOPICS: Hobbies; Outdoors
KEYWORDS: banglist; defense; pump; semiauto; shotgun
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To: ThunderSleeps

Have a 500 myself


21 posted on 10/02/2021 10:14:05 PM PDT by SaveFerris (The Lord, The Christ and The Messiah: Jesus Christ of Nazareth - http://www.BiblicalJesusChrist.Com/)
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To: Paul R.

870 or go home.


22 posted on 10/02/2021 10:18:09 PM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: Paul R.

I love the pump, the sound alone will give anyone pause.


23 posted on 10/02/2021 10:18:10 PM PDT by The Mayor (”Oh bother”, said Pooh as he chambered his last round)
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To: kiryandil; Celtic Conservative
The pump makes “that noise”...

Please stop that.

24 posted on 10/02/2021 10:22:48 PM PDT by MileHi ((Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: Paul R.
I have a pump 870. That said,it takes two hands to cycle without ninja trickery.

An auto, which I have never owned in shotgun form, ideally could be brought into action with one hand to load.

I could see being stuck in a constrained place without room to operate the slide of a pump with the authority needed (very neglected) to keep running.

Not switching, but if I were, this is what I would think about.

25 posted on 10/02/2021 10:23:44 PM PDT by doorgunner69 ("Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything.." -Joseph Stalin)
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To: Paul R.
Get a pump and learn to shoot it like Paul Harrell

I think he refers to it as "pullrack."

26 posted on 10/02/2021 10:26:48 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS (There are two kinds of people: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.)
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To: Paul R.

Semi-auto. One less thing to do in the heat of the moment. Bennelli M1 Super 90 is my go-to.


27 posted on 10/02/2021 10:27:03 PM PDT by Noumenon (The Second Amendment exists primarily to deal with those who just won't take no for an answer. KTF)
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To: Paul R.

Pump all day every day for a defensive shotgun. Semiautos are fantastic for hunting, sporting clays, and 3-gun matches.

However, they are too unreliable and ammo-sensitive for home defense. For home defense you want something that goes *bang* every time you pull the trigger, and a pump shotgun will do that. light load, heavy load, dud load, you rack the slide and you get a fresh round in the tube.

Now, if you were experienced enough with firearms, their operation, and their limitations to not have to ask this question in the first place, then a semiauto shotgun for home defense may make sense for you. But since you have to ask, then the answer is pump.


28 posted on 10/02/2021 10:28:44 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: MileHi

I second your motion. Too many people believe what they see in the movies.


29 posted on 10/02/2021 10:28:46 PM PDT by jy8z (When push comes disguised as nudge, I do not budge.)
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To: jy8z; MileHi; Celtic Conservative
I second your motion. Too many people believe what they see in the movies.

Weird.

My pump still makes "that noise", whether yours does or not.

It's a comforting sound.

30 posted on 10/02/2021 10:34:22 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: kiryandil

00 Buckshot should be the deterrent not “that noise”. If you don’t have one racked already I hope you have your final plans in order.

Weird.


31 posted on 10/02/2021 10:44:54 PM PDT by jy8z (When push comes disguised as nudge, I do not budge.)
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To: jy8z
I hope you have your final plans in order.

The Ruger 9mm.

What? You wander around without your carry piece?

Weird.

32 posted on 10/02/2021 10:47:25 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: Paul R.
Hunted with my first Remington 870 Wingmaster in 1972. Still own it. Bought it at Kmart and walked out of the store with it the same day in California when I was 12 years old. In High School during Dove season had the gun and shells in my car in the High School parking lot so we could go hunting right after class. How the world has changed.

The 870 Wingmaster was popular because of the double action bars instead of a single and the ease to interchange barrels and with a machined steel receiver. The next best 12 Guage pump was the Winchester Model 12. Pumps are much more reliable especially for people that do not clean their weapons or get them dirty in the field. Decades of hunting I have witnessed several Rem Model 1100's and Browing Auto 5's jam or fail to extract shells. I have never seen an 870 jam or fail and after 50 years have never had a failure to cycle or fire and mostly with reloads.

As far as the myth about speed, I automatically begin to cycle the chamber as soon as the trigger is pulled. This is so fast that often burnt powder residue flies in my face. Someone that shoots often will cycle an 870 pump as fast as any auto, not that a split second matters when with both weapons you are recovering from recoil to sight again. I find that cycling the round pulls the muzzle down faster with a pump after shooting to get back on the sight picture faster than with an Auto.

33 posted on 10/02/2021 10:49:02 PM PDT by Mat_Helm
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To: kiryandil

I don’t follow the jump from racking a shotgun to a Ruger 9MM.

Weird.

Tuco could teach you a thing or two.


34 posted on 10/02/2021 10:53:19 PM PDT by jy8z (When push comes disguised as nudge, I do not budge.)
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To: Mat_Helm

I meant to say dual slide bars for the action. Some may misconstrue what I meant by double slide bars. Nearly all pump action shot guns had a single slide bar and the 870 was one o the first to design it with dual slide bars on both sides of the receiver.


35 posted on 10/02/2021 10:54:47 PM PDT by Mat_Helm
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To: Paul R.

Neither as a primary home defense weapon as, unlike a handgun, it’s impossible to have a shotgun on my person or within reach 24/7 while at home.

I have my .38 Special revolver on me as I type this. I wouldn’t have a shotgun within reach right now and I can’t picture myself mowing the lawn or doing other chores carrying a shotgun.

A long gun may be a viable option as a backup. I’ve considered a shotgun for my wife because she doesn’t have the inclination to put in the time to become reasonably proficient in handling a handgun. And that shotgun would be a break action single shot because she doesn’t have the inclination to become proficient in the handling of a pump or semi-auto. The single shot is almost 100% reliable and and is the easiest to train with. I wouldn’t pick a single shot as a primary, or any long gun for that matter, but for my wife to use as backup for me, it would work.


36 posted on 10/02/2021 10:54:52 PM PDT by Armscor38
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To: kiryandil

It is an intimidating sound. I’m retired law enforcement and the one time I heard that from behind a closed door I couldn’t get down and examine the floor tile quick enough. Yes, Hollywood plays up that angle but that doesn’t mean there’s nothing to it.

CC


37 posted on 10/02/2021 11:00:47 PM PDT by Celtic Conservative (My cats are more amusing than 200 channels worth of TV.)
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To: Mat_Helm

I believe double action bars are the industry standard now, even on the cheapies.

CC


38 posted on 10/02/2021 11:02:28 PM PDT by Celtic Conservative (My cats are more amusing than 200 channels worth of TV.)
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To: jy8z
Tuco could teach you a thing or two.

Tuco had his carry piece in the bath.

You need to do less talking.

39 posted on 10/02/2021 11:07:25 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: Celtic Conservative

Better than a cup of black cowboy coffee.


40 posted on 10/02/2021 11:15:51 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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