Posted on 09/19/2021 7:31:37 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson
Really off your meds to today, ain’t ya? The North had ended slavery long before the war began as evidenced by it’s desire that any new state be admitted as a free state.
The South felt entirely different(re: “Bleeding Kansas’’).
“Hypocrisy. The homage Vice pays to Virtue’’.
You ought to make that your personal crest.
By the way Lampster, just an aside here but I work, eight
hours a day in a hospital ER. I see the dedication and the healing these men and women deliver. My late mother was an operating room nurse and later went on to become an operating room nursing supervisor. My wife works as a heart monitor technician.
And here's something else for ya Lampster old boy, Google
William C. Grace. That's my gg-grandfather. He was the Chief Medical Steward for The Surgeon Generals Office in DC during The Civil War.
He wrote The Army's Surgeons Manual. You can buy it on line.
But since you're so dismissive of modern medicine and it's practitioners perhaps you can blaze new trails in the relief of the sick and healing of the afflicted.
The guy is desperately trying to hit me with a ‘’gotcha’’ question and it isn’t working.
You can pull the discussion all over the place Reb but it isn’t going to work.
The South choose secession as a means to preserve the economic system of slave labor.
They choose war to achieve this and lost.Did slavery exist in the North?. Yeah. But it was ended long before 1861.
Get over it.
No it didn't. That's a lie you tell yourself to comfort you in your effort to believe what you wish to believe. There were five northern states that continued slavery during the war, and even several of the officially "free" states continued having slavery within their borders.
And this says nothing of Illinois where it was legal to grab free blacks and "sell them down the river".
You also ignore the large northern support for the Corwin Amendment, which could not possibly have passed both the house and Senate without support from the Northern states. This amendment would guarantee the USA would remain a slave nation indefinitely.
Sell it to someone more gullible.
Let us test your honesty. Where these the drugs and treatments you had in mine when you asked me if I was off my "meds"?
My guess would be anti-psychotics...
The South was defeated by the most powerful slave-owning nation in the world - the United States.
Twice Lincoln took an oath to defend and protect the pro-slavery U.S. Constitution.
I had expected the history professor to come boiling in to rescue you by now. You have already made far too many admissions.
Listen stupid, you’re the one here who said you have Asperger’s, right?
While there is no specific medication proscribed for Asperger’s medications like Prozac, Escitalopram and Citalopram are some of the medications used to treat some of the aspects of Asperger’s.
The Corwin Amendment was never ratified stupid. Tell yourself another lie.
LOL!
Tell me something bozo. Why do you come here, calling yourself a conservative and yet you never stop kissing the butts of a bunch of treasonous Southern Democrats?
“The word slave doesn’t appear in the Constitution although it says ‘’imported persons’’.”
Imported persons in this context means slaves. The South and the North were importing persons to be slaves. I’m surprised you did not know this.
Article one makes reference: “. . . which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons . . . all other persons.”
The significance of distinguishing free persons from all other persons was the “other persons” were slaves. I’m telling you, when the United States Constitution was adopted 13 of the 13 states voted to enshrine slavery into the document.
I’m surprised you do not know this.
Like the Old Testament, some of the things written in the U.S. Constitution makes me sad. Still, that is no reason to deny what was written; or to reject our history.
While there is no specific medication proscribed for Asperger’s medications like Prozac, Escitalopram and Citalopram are some of the medications used to treat some of the aspects of Asperger’s.
Well, that right there is dodge the question, effort #1.
Were you thinking of quinine when you asked me if I was off my "meds."
As rockrr pointed out, usually this question is asked in the context of anti-psychotics and such.
And what I said before still applies. I have known people who have been taking "medications" for much of their lives, and from what I can tell, all it does is f*** up their metabolism and often makes them crazy.
Psychiatry and treatment of mental disorders with drugs is in the realm of witch doctoring so far as I can tell. They simply try to alleviate symptoms but appear to be completely helpless in treating the underlying causes.
I have two friends who are Doctors. One is an MD, the other is an actual brain surgeon. Both of them tell me they never knew a psychiatrist that wasn't crazy themselves.
People place confidence in Doctors, Lawyers, Teachers, "journalists" and so forth, and far too often this confidence is misplaced. Much of the time these people don't know what the f*** they are doing.
I know very well that it was never fully ratified, but you are deliberately dodging the point here. The NORTHERN states voted to pass this amendment through the House, and through the Senate.
This clarifies their motives. You can't honestly claim they weren't going to continue slavery indefinitely. That *WAS* their intention.
Had the Southern states been persuaded to remain in the Union, it would have been ratified, and you know it.
The Corwin Amendment is about the intent of the Northern states to continue slavery in the USA. They voted their assent that it continue, and five of them even ratified it.
With Seward guaranteeing New York would ratify it, all of New York's little satellite states would have ratified it too, and with the Southern states voting to ratify it, it would have become the 13th amendment, and slavery would have continued for another 50 years or more.
“The Constitution doesn’t use the word slave . . .”
That is an interesting comment and brings to mind a retired union firefighter who fled from up north and moved into town not far from our place several years ago.
He liked to do two things: tell everyone how they used to do it up north and multiply by zero. He was the Einstein of multiplying by zero.
Multiplying by zero never accomplished anything for him; never changed any facts. But he could do it, enjoyed doing it, and was quite good at it.
Recognizing that they had a right to secede from the Union is not "kissing the butts".
Likewise, it appears clear to me now that the Republicans of 1860 were race obsessed big city liberals who believed in strong government, taxing and spending, protectionism, unfettered immigration, and had far too close involvement with corporate profit making involving government power.
The Democrats of that era were rural, small government types that opposed reckless social changes and favored tradition.
The party's have clearly flipped in their core beliefs since that era. Modern Democrats most closely align with 1860 Republicans, including their protectionist and immigration policies. Modern Republicans more closely align with 1860s Democrats with the exception being the 1860s Democrats position on slavery.
But here is the primary reason I defend the right to secede. Look around. The Country has crazy people running both the east and west coast. The sane portion of the country needs to separate from the crazy portion of the country and let the crazy portion collapse.
I see secession as being perhaps the only way we are going to solve the problems this nation is facing.
The North had ended slavery long before the war began
Regarding the November 1861 Delaware rejection of Lincoln's plan for compensated emancipation for the Delaware slaves whose existence you deny, see Journal of the Senate of the State of Delaware, At a Special Session of the General Assembly, Commenced and held at Dover, on Monday, the 25th day of November, 1861 as quoted in Charles H. McCarthy, Lincoln's Plan of Reconstruction, (1901) at pp. 156-57.
Whereas, There has been circulating among the members of this General Assembly a printed draft for a law to be entitled “An act for the gradual emancipation of slaves in the State of Delaware with just compensation to their owners”; and whereas many of the members of this General Assembly have been requested to support it, the said draft being in the following words: [Then follows the title, together with the twenty-one sections composing the bill. To which is added:] And whereas it is uncertain that said proposition will be submitted to this General Assembly for its action, nevertheless, viewing it to be unworthy of their support, they desire to place upon record the grounds of their condemnation; thereforeResolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the State of Delaware in General Assembly met, That the members of this Legislature were not elected with a view to the passage of any act for the emancipation of slaves, but with the understanding, either expressed or implied, that legislation upon the distracting subject of slavery was hostile to the public peace, and therefore to be avoided; that the passage of the act drafted as aforesaid, inasmuch as it renders Congressional action necessary, would, upon the apparent application of the State of Delaware, introduce the slavery question into Congress, would encourage the abolition element therein, and fortify it in its purpose to destroy entirely all property in slaves, and furthermore, would be injurious to the quiet and harmony that prevail in this State.
Be it further resolved by the authority aforesaid, That it is the opinion of this General Assembly, that Congress has no right to appropriate a dollar for the purchase of slaves, and that such a proposal, coming from the source to which it is traceable, evinces a design on the part of those having control of our national affairs to abolish slavery in the States.
Resolved further, That this General Assembly having in mind the interests of the people of Delaware, are not willing, especially at a time of financial embarrassment, to make the State of Delaware a guarantor of any debt the payment of which depends upon the mere pledge of public faith; that the confidence of the people of this State that nothing would ever be done to promote a disunion of our National system, but that it would remain, as expressed by Webster “ one and inseparable, now and forever,” having been impaired by the events of the last two years, we are and should be very cautious in resting our obligations on the mere faith of others; that by accepting the terms to be offered by the United States, we should, upon grounds of the plainest equity, be held to have pledged the faith of Delaware for the payment of nine hundred thousand dollars as mentioned in the draft aforesaid; that, keeping in mind the fact that the power of the nation is now put forth to suppress a rebellion prevailing throughout a very large portion of its territory, and that in consequence of such rebellion and the uncertainty of its being speedily quelled, the stocks of the United States, which heretofore brought in the market a sum far beyond the par value thereof, are now selling at a continually increasing rate of discount, we are unwilling to pledge the faith of Delaware (a faith which has never been violated) that the proposed mode of payment is safe and proper.
Resolved further, That when the people of Delaware desire to abolish slavery within her borders, they will do so in their own way, having due regard to strict equity; that any interference from without, and all suggestions of saving expense to the people, or others of like character, are improper to be made to an honorable people, such as we represent, and are hereby repelled — that though the State of Delaware is small, and her people not of the richest, they are beyond the reach of any who would promote an end by improper interference and solicitations.
Resolved further, That a copy of the foregoing resolutions, duly attested, be transmitted to each of our Senators, and to our Representative in Congress, to be laid before their respective houses.
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