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To: SoCal Pubbie
“When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for ONE PEOPLE to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.“

In context, what they meant by "One People" was the population of British Subjects residing in the colonies. In practice, they treated each colony/state as sovereign within it's own territory, and required representatives from each one of them to agree to the Declaration as well as the Articles of Confederation and the US Constitution afterwards.

They always acted as the minimum common denominator was a population's status as a "State."

But you overlook the central thesis of our founding document. It's that people have a right to secede.

I don’t see anything about “states” there.

A man won't see what he refuses to see. If you are going to go with the "ONE PEOPLE" argument, you must include the British population in England as well as Canada, because the way you are drawing the lines for "ONE PEOPLE", it is the entire nation as opposed to a section of it's population divided into colonies.

The founders meant "states." You have to lie to yourself to believe they meant anything other than "states".

985 posted on 08/25/2021 9:27:57 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

“ The founders meant “states.” You have to lie to yourself to believe they meant anything other than “states”.

I have to pay you another compliment. You’re seldom correct, but never in doubt.

So I guess those counties in Oregon have no right to secede and join Idaho?

To recap:

The reason for secession was the South’s desire to preserve slavery.

The trigger for secession was the election of Abraham Lincoln, which fed fear of the abolitionist foundation of the Republican Party.

The American Civil War began when units of the South Carolina Militia fired upon a Union fort in Charleston harbor.


996 posted on 08/25/2021 11:22:18 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: x; DiogenesLamp

From page 11 of The Five Cotton States.

“There is no doubt that the business of Southern Exchange, that is, the converting bills drawn upon foreign countries for the value of cotton into money at home, is mainly effected at New York, for the simple reason that those that are concerned find it to their advantage, both in point of economy and convenience. The aggregate of profit thus made by New York is less than one percent on the amount of Southern bills purchased.”

Not much “vigorish” there, eh Dim?


999 posted on 08/25/2021 12:08:30 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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