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To: DiogenesLamp

You wrote:

“You are trying to step around the fact that protectionism works.”

By referring to Trump, I am suggesting that protectionist legislation does not on its face suggest a scheme to benefit one region of the country to the detriment of another. You have failed to show how the tariffs of the 19th century did that. The Southern states were free to build or purchase their own ships. They were free to sell directly to foreign buyers if they wished. How did the North’s three card monty work?

In coming days I will post further information demolishing your bogus arguments.

To recap:

The reason for secession was the South’s desire to preserve slavery.

The trigger for secession was the election of Abraham Lincoln, which fed fear of the abolitionist foundation of the Republican Party.

The American Civil War began when units of the South Carolina Militia fired upon a Union fort in Charleston harbor.


960 posted on 08/25/2021 7:58:51 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: SoCal Pubbie
By referring to Trump, I am suggesting that protectionist legislation does not on its face suggest a scheme to benefit one region of the country to the detriment of another.

So your argument is "because protectionism can be created which does not favor one particular portion of the country to the detriment of another portion of a country, protectionism cannot be made which favors one particular portion of the country to the detriment of another portion of the country."

If that is your thinking, I recognize that as bad logic. It is possible to create protectionism that favors the entire country, but it is also possible to create protectionism that favors specific parts of the country.

Laws which grant favors to American ships benefit those areas that produce and control American ships. They are economically disadvantageous for those that don't.

You have failed to show how the tariffs of the 19th century did that.

You can keep saying that, but no matter how many times you keep repeating it, it's still untrue. I have shown you how tariff/shipping laws moved the money produced in the South into the North. We haven't even gotten into the other acts such as the "Warehousing act of 1846" and a few other acts which were discussed in previous threads on this topic.

There is a reason why the "Free Soil Party" was located in New York New York instead of Kansas. It was because it served the interests of New York New York. Keeping the Southern states at a legislative disadvantage insured the money produced by Washington DC law would continue flowing into the pockets of the New York gentry and the Washington DC plutocrats.

The Southern states were free to build or purchase their own ships.

They could not purchase foreign ships. That was not allowed. They could build ships, but then they would have to compete with Northern shipbuilders and shippers who had government contracts guaranteeing them a profit, while the Southern shippers would not have such government contracts.

The Northern shipping industry was highly organized, highly clannish, and worked with other northern industries to create a "closed shop" condition for their industry. Their banking, insurance and warehousing were all in collusion with each other, and they all maintained their connections to government power in Washington DC.

In other words, the same corrupt system we have now which favors the liberal elite and their corrupt corporations.

973 posted on 08/25/2021 8:50:18 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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