To: SoCal Pubbie
If you’re referring to tariffs, they had been lowered a few years before the Fire Eaters bugged out and let the tariff of 1861 pass. As I mentioned to "x", "tariffs" are an imprecise word for the large effect of economic change which would have occurred as a consequence of independence.
Firstly, 65 million or so a year would not be going into Northern pockets, and would instead be going into Southern pockets.
Secondly, the tariff of abominations went up, and then it went down, so there was no certainty about where tariffs would end up without secession. With secession they would certainly be much lower than they would otherwise be.
Thirdly, the other economic effects of secession would have resulted in even more money leaving the North and ending up in the South. European products bought at cheaper prices would not only have displaced Northern products in the same southern and midwestern markets, they would have left more money in the pockets of consumers because they would have been bought at cheaper prices than what consumers had previously paid.
Chicago Daily Times. December 10, 1860 “In one single blow our foreign commerce must be reduced to less than one-half what it now is. Our coastwise trade would pass into other hands. One-half of our shipping would lie idle at our wharves. We should lose our trade with the South, with all of its immense profits. Our manufactories would be in utter ruins. Let the South adopt the free-trade system or that of a tariff for revenue and these results would likely follow.”
557 posted on
08/11/2021 11:10:34 AM PDT by
DiogenesLamp
("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
To: DiogenesLamp
“With secession they would certainly be much lower than they would otherwise be.”
The tariffs of the CSA were about the same as the tariff of 1857.
Fail.
To: DiogenesLamp
Or take school prayer or the pledge of allegiance. Another consequence of the badly written, not legitimately ratified and badly abused 14th amendment.
The words ", under God," was added after the Pledge of Allegiance was adopted by Congress. Which brings me to the next point:
The country was founded as a Christian nation, and those who don't like it really have no legitimate recourse in the same manner that it was founded as a slave nation, and those who didn't like it had no legitimate recourse. (Other than amendment.
Apparently you have not read The Federalist Papers which literally refutes this point.
The five authors of the Federalist Papers state that this country was not founded as a Christian nation and they point to two words found within the Declaration of Independence as their proof and note that they also state that the word "God" appears no where in the United States Constitution.
The two words that Madison specifically states as why this nation was not founded as a Christian nation was the words"..., your Creator,". Most Christians view this as the authors of the Declaration of Independence meant the Christian or Jewish God, Madison states it means no such thing as it was changed to "your Creator" in order to be inclusive to all peoples not just Christians or Jews.
The context for this deals with what was happening in Britain at the time of the Colonies in the United States. If you don't know, then you only know part of United States history. The United States was not founded on Christianity or Judaism, it was founded using the principles of Ancient Greek and the Romans to which the Authors of the Federalist Papers espouse. Also there was an author, Locke, that many of the founding fathers had read and was influenced by who was another influential figure in the creation of this country. The exact work by Locke was the Second Treatise of Government. Every learned man of the day was familiar with Locke's writings.
The statement that the United States was founded as a Christian nation is a misnomer perpetrated by Christians in efforts to proselytize and gain followers. It is completely 100 percent false statement. I know because I used to say the same thing until I found out it was another lie by the Church.
It's not that that I don't like it, it is what the authors of the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution have said in their own writings, whether you like it or not.
Read the Federalist Papers and your eyes will be open.
566 posted on
08/12/2021 2:16:49 AM PDT by
zaxtres
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To: DiogenesLamp
Here let me help you out
The first 9 papers of the Federalist Papers give numerous examples of Greece and Italy (Rome).
said Madison, I meant Hamilton. Both are authors of the Federalist Papers but Hamilton is credited with writing the first 9. Madison and Hami,ton are two of the five authors.
Madison, decades later, talks about why the word “slave” does not appear in the Founding documents. That is an interesting read in itself and one of the reasons why Madison foresaw the Civil War and how it was inevitable.
568 posted on
08/12/2021 2:32:22 AM PDT by
zaxtres
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