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To: gas_dr; ransomnote

RE: Ivermectin does not do that nor does HCQ, even on the best data published that you site, it does not reduce death into the greater than 95% range and stop the disease like monoclonals.

OK, I am seeing conflicting observations. On the one hand, I am reading about tons of testimonies and watching many videos from doctors like yourself (including the South African ICU doctor in this article ) who swear that Ivermectin works ( this particular doctor in the article thread has administered it to over 200 patients ).

One the other hand, I am reading your particular experience telling us that it does not work.

I am not going to say that either one of you is lying. I assume that you and the other ICU doctors are both telling the truth about your personal observations.

However, nature does not change, there has to be something that the successful doctors are doing right that you’re not in terms of dosage, protocol or stage of the disease or some other overlooked item.

I am not ready to dismiss the work of all the doctors who have successfully used Ivermectin to treat Covid just because you are telling us that it doesn’t work in your particular case.

Among these doctors are experienced, licensed, established, well published Doctors like Pier Kory, Andrew Marick and Thomas Borody. I’m not ready to conclude that they don’t know what they’re talking about.

Look, I am a software developer and sometimes, my code doesn’t work as I expect. Often, it took other developers like myself to eyeball my code or even consider other factors like the operating system, software or framework version to inform me how I can modify things to make it work. Nature does not change.

Same principle applies to Ivermectin. We all want to know why scores of experienced doctors worldwide tell us that it works and why in your particular case, it doesn’t. There has to be the missing ingredient that you have not identified.

The problem as I see it is this — NO COMMUNICATION. Doctors who succeed and doctors who don’t succeed are talking past each other without exchanging notes. The truth is out there, we must find out what it is.

The only way to find out is via a free and open exchange of case observations between doctors. This unfortunately is not happening now.

NOTE: This has nothing to do with monoclonals, which I believe works well. I’ve seen it work on Donald Trump himself

The issues that I have with monoclonals is their relative unavailability in many hospitals clinics and the need for trained healthcare workers to apply it. The reality is, we just do not have the logistical resources for it to be practically available in a pandemic compared to a possible oral and widely available treatment like Ivermectin.


51 posted on 07/24/2021 7:59:48 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I am not going to say that either one of you is lying. I assume that you and the other ICU doctors are both telling the truth about your personal observations.


Most people who use Ivermectin use it with something else.

Many also use Quercetin.

Note that groups at high risk for the wuhan coronavirus have more stored iron. Some claim quercetin removes iron from the body.


73 posted on 07/24/2021 4:25:39 PM PDT by TTFX ( )
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To: SeekAndFind

The problem as I see it is this — NO COMMUNICATION. Doctors who succeed and doctors who don’t succeed are talking past each other without exchanging notes. The truth is out there, we must find out what it is.


The problem is lack of research. Research funding goes to things that can be patented. If something is natural, it’s unlikely to increase sells for one specific company, so people don’t research natural things.


74 posted on 07/24/2021 4:35:29 PM PDT by TTFX ( )
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