Attorney interviewing Ryan Dark White (a.k.a. Dr. McGreevey) on behalf of Lin Wood.
This portion of the transcript contains information about the ways in which Rod Rosenstein and others faked charges and sent him to prison.
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· · · · · · · · · · · DATE OF RECORDING
· · · · · · · · · · · · ·JANUARY 2021
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·1· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · Okay.· So, this one’s gonna be
·2· a little bit more unpleasant for you, but can you get into
·3· some of what happened to you when you ran afoul of Rosenstein
·4· and the Dirty Trick Squad and how they exacted their
·5· retribution on you?
·6· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · It was October 2009.· Obama had
·7· been in the White House not that long, but everything had
·8· switched.· The information I was providing from the doctor
·9· and from other sources was beneficial.· They loved it.
10· · · · · · Nobody had ever had that kind of access, especially
11· a white, Christian male, and it was fantastic, but when Obama
12· came in he switched it.· Now it was being used against the
13· country and to protect themselves, how their exposure
14· happened.
15· · · · · · And they were arming terrorist groups for various
16· reasons, allowing them to stockpile, allowing them to move
17· money overseas to support terrorism, and I exposed it, I
18· exposed my job, and then they came down on me.
19· · · · · · Rod sent Rosati and Utz — that’s Gregory Utz — to
20· arrest me.· They claim that a package had come from
21· California that contained all manner of drugs in it —
22· heroin, cocaine, everything — and so they provided a — they
23· arrested me and incarcerated me, arrested my wife, and they
24· provided a — there was a FedEx number for that one, for the
25· package.· And —
·1· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · Who — who is this?· You said
·2· Rosati and —
·3· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · This was Joseph Rosati, the
·4· DEA, and his partner at the time, Gregory Utz, who was a task
·5· force officer with the DEA, formerly with the Baltimore
·6· County police in Maryland.· And Rod sent them after me.
·7· These are his little henchmen.
·8· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · Had you been warned prior to
·9· this to lay off what you had been digging on or did they just
10· kinda blindside you with it?
11· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · No.· I was — what I was
12· digging on was provided to them for various cases —
13· terrorist cases, finance cases, material support of the
14· terrorists cases, but when it exposed them, there you go.
15· · · · · · And they were worried that I would talk, that I
16· would tell them what was going on down here, so they sent a
17· package set up in California, a big box with drugs in it.
18· · · · · · The FedEx number they provided was actually an
19· overnight envelope, which wouldn’t have held anything — it
20· was a new patient packet from the doctor’s office.· He
21· provided a receipt and a letter, everything.
22· · · · · · And they said they apprehended me when I came to
23· the mailbox place to get another box, and the person at the
24· mailbox place actually provided a statement saying they
25· handed it to them like four hours before that, so they
·1· brought it.· It was never in the mail.
·2· · · · · · They provided a postal service tracking number for
·3· that one as well, said that this box had come from California
·4· and that they received a call from the manager of the place
·5· to (inaudible).
·6· · · · · · The tracking number, if you actually tracked it,
·7· had never been in California.· It was a real tracking number
·8· that Gregory Utz had used to send a packet from Maryland to
·9· the ATF in Georgia — that was his application for a
10· suppressor that he still owns — and it was tracked all the
11· way into the ATF because it was an official document.· So,
12· never in California, a total lie.
13· · · · · · There were no drugs in it.· They said that there
14· were pill bottles in there with pills, and the local police
15· department logged them in as empty and they found them in my
16· apartment, so the local police were at least doing their job
17· and covering it correctly.
18· · · · · · They tried to — I had firearms at the time.· They
19· took in two of the Colt rifles, the RF-15’s, and right in the
20· police station took a Dremel tool to the receiver trying to
21· say I had illegally modified a machine gun, and more charges,
22· and the police just went, you know, “These are Feds.”
23· · · · · · You know, Narawatches [phonetic] was a smaller-town
24· police department at the time, and they started documenting
25· it.· They were taking pictures of everything, too, because
·1· they were protecting themselves.· They weren’t necessarily
·2· hurting or helping me, but they were protecting themselves.
·3· · · · · · And when that didn’t work, they had actually called
·4· their friend Boroshok, had Boroshok come out and get the
·5· guns.· This was just two weeks after the arrest.· He came up,
·6· confiscated everything, took it downtown and destroyed it so
·7· they couldn’t prove they had tried that.
·8· · · · · · But they had me incarcerated in 2009, 2010 for
·9· seven and a half months.· They starved me, they beat me. I
10· lost 147 pounds in four and a half months, over half my body
11· weight.· Regular beatings, regular torture.
12· · · · · · They would pick me up and take me out on their
13· authority.· They would do it down the road, in the car,
14· wherever, depending on what time they had.· It got so bad
15· that the — there were prisoners in there, and correctional
16· officers were trying to help me survive.
17· · · · · · The warden actually stepped up and got in touch
18· with the sheriff and said, “This can’t continue,” and on
19· their authority they tried to get me out, but the judge was
20· controlled.
21· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · Now, were they interrogating
22· you during the course of these beatings or was this just —
23· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · Oh, it was interrogation.· They
24· wanted to know what I told them, what I had, had I ever made
25· copies, where was it, what did I tell them about Baltimore,
·1· what was going on.· That’s what they were looking for.· They
·2· went through my apartment.· We had just moved.
·3· · · · · · They went through the apartment in Baltimore
·4· County, and every single piece of paper in there, they had
·5· looked at it, and if it wasn’t it they ripped it so they
·6· could tell they’d already checked it.· It was just — it
·7· looked like confetti.· They were looking for codes, they were
·8· looking for (inaudible) access.
·9· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · Now, did you come clean with
10· everything that they were looking for, or they just thought
11· you had more?· Or were you just trying to protect the
12· information that you’d uncovered?
13· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · They knew I had access to it
14· because I was working with them in Baltimore, so they didn’t
15· want any of that coming out.
16· · · · · · They wanted to know if I had made copies, if I had
17· recorded anything, because I’d make copies and recordings
18· normally, they just wanted to know if I kept any.· And they
19· looked from — I even think they got into the safe deposit
20· boxes.
21· · · · · · They tore up our other apartment when they arrested
22· my wife.· They kept her handcuffed, no food or water for 23
23· hours, no warrant.· They didn’t apply for a warrant ‘til the
24· following day.· So, yeah.
25· · · · · · UNKNOWN MALE:· · · ·Wow.
·1· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · (Interposing) So — so, when
·2· you were being taken out of the jail — what county was that
·3· jail in?
·4· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · Baltimore County, Maryland.
·5· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · Okay.· So, when you were being
·6· removed from the jail, were you being — you were being
·7· signed in and signed out?
·8· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · By them, uh-huh.
·9· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · So, there’s — are there
10· existing records of every time —
11· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · Yeah.
12· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · — you were removed from jail?
13· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · Oh, yeah.· And when I came back
14· I was in such bad shape that they didn’t wanna sign me back
15· in.· They didn’t wanna be blamed for it.
16· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · Hmm.
17· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · A couple times I came back I
18· went right to Medical and I — I would stay three, four days
19· in Medical just to try to recover from what they had done.
20· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · Are your medical records still
21· available for that period of time in jail?
22· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · Most of them are.
23· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · Documenting your weight loss
24· and your injuries upon return?
25· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · Oh, yeah.· And the surgeries
·1· necessary for repair and things afterwards.· It got
·2· progressively worse when I wouldn’t tell them, because it was
·3· getting up towards the court date time when, you know, it was
·4· put up or shut up, and they didn’t really have any leverage.
·5· · · · · · So, when I was coming back, when they did sign me
·6· out and bring me back, it got so bad that the warden wouldn’t
·7· let them sign me out anymore, if they wanted to see me they
·8· had to see me in the facility.
·9· · · · · · Because they even took me to the courthouse one
10· time, and they took me up on the third floor where there’s no
11· cameras — it’s mostly lawyers; prisoners don’t go there —
12· and they again chained me down between my legs with the belly
13· chains, sat on my back, things like this, smacked me around,
14· and again I was so bad that the jailer at the courthouse did
15· not want to accept me back into his authority — his custody,
16· because he’s like “I’m gonna be blamed for this.· Look at
17· him.· He’s all cut up.”
18· · · · · · So, he documented everything, took pictures and
19· drove me right back.· He didn’t put me in cuffs.· He drove me
20· right back to the detention center, and they again didn’t
21· want to take the custody.· So, this was at the courthouse.
22· · · · · · So, the warden and the sheriff were actually trying
23· to get me out under their authority because it was wrong.
24· So, he wouldn’t let them take me out, so they would come in
25· and sign me out and take me up front in the administration
·1· section.
·2· · · · · · And they were gonna do whatever they wanted because
·3· they were Feds, they didn’t want anybody around, so we’d come
·4· back and once again I was in horrible condition — bleeding,
·5· busted up, whatever, barely able to move — and the warden
·6· said “We’re not doing this.”
·7· · · · · · So, he told them that “You can’t use guns anymore.”
·8· He wouldn’t let them bring their guns in.· These were Federal
·9· agents.· He was trying to help.· So — Warden DeHaven.· He’s
10· a nice man.· So, he wouldn’t let them bring their guns in
11· anymore.
12· · · · · · So, again they show up.· Here comes — and at this
13· point I’ve lost over half my body weight.· I’m bleeding from
14· every orifice.· They practically have to scrape me up, put me
15· in a chair and get me up there, and they just continue their
16· beatings.
17· · · · · · At one point they had — I — threw me on the floor
18· and left me there and like three days later I’m in the same
19· spot, and they came to get me and they’re kicking me because
20· they’re so mad that they — we have to — they couldn’t have
21· their fun again.· I had about eight inches of intestine
22· distended from my rectum; it prolapsed because they kicked me
23· in the stomach so much.
24· · · · · · So, they took me up to the room, and I was so bad
25· when I came back the warden, you know, “I’ve had enough of
·1· this.”· So, the next time he said, “I want a guard outside
·2· the room.· Don’t go in.· I want a guard outside, an armed
·3· guard,” he said, “I wanna know what you hear.”· He said,
·4· “Don’t interfere,” he said, “I wanna know what you hear.”
·5· · · · · · So, with the guard outside they were still so nasty
·6· and so violent that he stayed there the whole night after
·7· they were gone, after they put me back, to tell the warden
·8· the next morning.
·9· · · · · · He stayed up all night to tell him how bad it was.
10· So, he said, “Next time I want an armed guard in the room.
11· This is the last — I wanna see what they do.”
12· · · · · · So, he took one of his sergeants, armed, sat right
13· in the corner and watched, and, of course, with him in there
14· they toned it way down, and it was still so nasty he called
15· the warden at home that night and told him.· And that was it.
16· He barred them.· He barred them after that.
17· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · Now, why did the warden let it
18· go so long before he stepped in —
19· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · Well, they were Feds, and
20· prisoners lie, prisoners exaggerate.· But, you know, his own
21· people saw it.· And they were manipulating different staff
22· members.· The one time they take me out — he wouldn’t let
23· them take out anymore.· He wouldn’t let them sign me out
24· anymore.
25· · · · · · Because they had taken me out, took me down the
·1· road, and they were, you know, doing their thing — chaining
·2· me down, beating me, stuff like this — and they got the idea
·3· to waterboard me.· So, he got this little mop bucket
·4· underneath the sink and he said “Fill it up with water.”
·5· · · · · · It was just a splash, it’s not enough, it’s not
·6· enough water to waterboard me, so “I’m gonna go out here and
·7· tell them off,” a bad situation.· So, (inaudible).· So, he
·8· drags me out back.
·9· · · · · · Now, I’m chained to a chair, so they just drug me.
10· They throw me over backwards and they’re standing on my
11· shoulder, standing on my arm — because I’m belly-chained;
12· I’m completely in cuffs and ankle chains, everything — and
13· there are cans out there, five-gallon cans of kerosene and
14· diesel fuel, so he started pouring that in my face, basically
15· waterboarded me with kerosene and diesel fuel.
16· · · · · · And that was the first time.· I couldn’t see.· The
17· burning was indescribable.· It caused a lot of damage.· I had
18· to have seven and a half hours of reconstructive surgery
19· inside to fix it as much as possible.
20· · · · · · It’s all scar tissue now.· I don’t smell much.
21· They had to remove the bone up here, all this bone, just to
22· get inside.· And all those records are there; they know what
23· it is.
24· · · · · · And they would do — they had arranged for things
25· like — this facility, Har-Can [phonetic] Detention Center,
·1· had a Mersa outbreak at this time, and they took me out of
·2· one cell where I was laying on the floor most of the time and
·3· put me with some guy that had virulent Mersa —
·4· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · Oh!
·5· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · — hoping I’d catch it.· Yeah.
·6· He was losing chunks of scalp and hair.· And I’m just
·7· steadying on the bed, you know.· I can’t move.· I was very
·8· weak, and I was bleeding everywhere.
·9· · · · · · So, I woke up one day and one his scabs that he
10· constantly picked off was in my ear, ‘cause he would pick
11· them off on the top bunk and just drop them to where I was.
12· · · · · · So, about the most I could do, I’d make it over to
13· the sink, which was behind the toilet, to get water, and that
14· would wear me out.· I’d collapse.· I was on about 600
15· calories a week — not a day, a week.
16· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · And why was the warden allowing
17· you to starve like this?
18· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · This was — he was working —
19· Rosati had control over a nurse in the Medical — Iris — and
20· the one doctor, because they were both dirty, the doctor
21· especially.· He knew him from before.· So, he was just
22· writing off on it.
23· · · · · · And they brought in an outside doctor, who at the
24· end, he’s like — he couldn’t believe what it was.· He signed
25· on immediately.· He’s like “Nooooo.”· They kept it hidden.
·1· They lied to the judge.· They would falsify paperwork. I
·2· mean, it’s not like I can go the judge and show him my
·3· condition.
·4· · · · · · They’re saying stuff like “I’ve got all the
·5· paperwork.”· They’re like “He’s lying he’s exaggerating.· He
·6· has lost weight, but most prisoners lose maybe, you know, 10
·7· to 20 pounds when they get in there because of the diet and
·8· they can’t snack anymore.”· No.· I was like 76 pounds down at
·9· that time.· And they lied.
10· · · · · · And I have all the paperwork.· So, yes, it was
11· submitted to the Court where I had the actual, you know,
12· medical (inaudible) paperwork showing you were down, down,
13· down, down, down, where you lost it.
14· · · · · · And (inaudible) the particular judge at that time
15· was a pedophile, a known pedophile —
16· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · (Interposing) What’s —what’s
17· his name?
18· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · William O. Carr.· And Rod
19· certainly controlled him.· William Carr impregnated his own
20· daughter, had his daughter’s last grandchild from her.· When
21· the child was born he used his pull and his judgeship to have
22· the daughter committed as crazy, whatever, and now he took
23· away custody.
24· · · · · · Now he has custody of the daughter’s last
25· granddaughter, who I’m sure is in absolute hell, because he
·1· doesn’t hide the fact that he abuses her — well, he
·2· discussed it.· But that’s the —
·3· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · (Interposing) Do you know if
·4· they had — if they had leverage on this specific judge?
·5· Rosenstein and —
·6· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · Oh, yeah, they know he is.· Oh,
·7· yeah, they have it.· They may know the specifics of
·8· everything he’s done.· Yeah.· They may have the D&E
·9· [phonetic] thing from the granddaughter-slash-daughter.· But
10· —
11· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · Are you aware of any current
12· leverage that’s existing now that we can potentially shed
13· light on?
14· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · On who?
15· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · John — John Connor or anybody
16· else that might be able to — or anybody else that might be
17· under these types of influences.
18· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · Well, I mean, there’s multiple
19· judges.· I mean, this was the whole focus of the Dirty Trick
20· Squad, was to gain leverage, gain political leverage.· They
21· want to control both sides.· They didn’t care what side
22· you’re on, they wanted to control.
23· · · · · · They compromise judges, they compromise family
24· members to compromise the judge.· If they couldn’t compromise
25· a judge they’d plan it — well, some had even done it to
·1· themselves.· Some of them are into that or something.
·2· They’re into something.
·3· · · · · · But if they weren’t, then they would compromise a
·4· family member.· One judge, they couldn’t get anything on him
·5· so they compromised his son.
·6· · · · · · His son was at college.· He’d click the computer to
·7· record movies and music and everything, and, you know, they
·8· would just get in and download child porn, and it was like
·9· “Oh, look, Your Honor, your son’s downloading child porn.· We
10· can keep it quiet, you know, but you gotta work with us.”
11· · · · · · These are the little things they did.· This is how
12· they did their everyday job.
13· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · So, how did you end up getting
14· released from this custody?· What was the — what was the
15· exit process, I guess, like?
16· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · From the initial one?
17· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · Yeah.
18· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · Well, they sentenced me.
19· They figured that there was just — you know, I couldn’t take
20· that much abuse.· I — the new doctor had come in.· He was a
21· part-timer.· He’d rotated in.· He was like “Noooo,” so he
22· wrote it and actually released me from the jail at that
23· point.· They hadn’t charged me, convicted me.
24· · · · · · They said I had plead guilty.· I didn’t.· The
25· attorney they had working for them, who was actually a
·1· customer of Rosati’s — multiple times that he had arrested
·2· and actually supplied stuff to, did cocaine in front of me at
·3· the jailhouse — he signed the plea agreement in my name.· He
·4· said I was too incapacitated.
·5· · · · · · He spelled “White” wrong because he was so high;
·6· that’s not an easy one to misspell.· But Thomas Maronick.
·7· But he actually spelled my name wrong.· He said I was
·8· incapacitated and couldn’t do it so he signed for me, which
·9· would be illegal.
10· · · · · · The day after I found out what he had done I wrote
11· to the judge, just to get it on the record, saying, you know,
12· “You don’t know what these people are doing.· I’m working
13· with them.”· There’s all the stuff; I have a copy of that.
14· They told me to leave a space for a court stamp so it’d be
15· accepted, and I put it on the record.
16· · · · · · I said, “I did not sign it.· I don’t want to plea.
17· I want my day in court.”· ‘Cause part of the plea was you
18· have ten days to nullify it and go to trial, which is a
19· standard thing, and then I put in and they’re like “Oh, no,
20· it was just a suggestion.· You don’t get that.”
21· · · · · · So — and I fought that case pro se, by myself,
22· while being forced to work for these idiots.· They gave me a
23· year and a day for that sentence.
24· · · · · · I was there for several months beyond that — not
25· beyond that, but, I mean, of the year and a day I did seven
·1· and a half months, because at that point I was in such bad
·2· condition they released me medically to a home detention
·3· situation, and still forced to work for these people and
·4· maintain contacts with the terrorist groups, things like
·5· that, which I had to feed to them, but they controlled it
·6· much more after that.
·7· · · · · · But I fought that case pro se for years, four
·8· years, and finally — finally — he — Carr finally semi-
·9· retired and I got assigned to another judge.· I went to court
10· and I won.· She issued — ‘cause the evidence is plain.
11· · · · · · I have everyone backing me up — the post office,
12· FedEx, the local police, the doctor.· Everybody backs me up,
13· and it’s plainly obvious, so she actually reversed it
14· entirely in my favor.
15· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · What year was that?
16· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · August 2014.
17· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · Okay.
18· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · She issued a court order
19· reversing the original one entirely in my favor, erased
20· everything, and with prejudice so they couldn’t bring it back
21· up.· Well, Rod got to her and she reversed her court order.
22· I have it.
23· · · · · · I have the original file, I have the original court
24· order — I have all that — and she reversed it about two
25· months later and put it back on and reinstated everything.
·1· That’s just how they keep you under their thumb.
·2· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · Are you aware of what he had on
·3· her to get her to do that?
·4· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · No.
·5· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · So, after that —
·6· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · I think it was just his
·7· position.
·8· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · After that — after that
·9· escapade, the first time, has there been any other
10· (inaudible) —
11· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · (Interposing) 2015.
12· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · Yep.· Can you explain that one?
13· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · Again, I was — the entire time
14· — forced to work with him.· As I gradually got healthier, or
15· recovered —
16· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · When you say “him,” that’s
17· Rosenstein or …
18· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · Rod, Rod Rosenstein.
19· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · Now, was Rosati and the others
20· around for this time, too?
21· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · Yeah, the whole time.· This was
22· all the way up until 2016 when they started scattering, when
23· Rod basically shut down the Dirty Trick Squad in 2016 because
24· of the election, didn’t want anything to compromise it,
25· didn’t want it to come out, and shut it down, and allowed
·1· Lisa Monaco to introduce the new CISSP section to the public
·2· — and she actually found a whole lot more legal stuff and
·3· reported it.
·4· · · · · · But when they were planning to take out the judges,
·5· when they were working with these groups and I was working in
·6· this group reporting back everything they were doing — and I
·7· got hundreds of conversations with these people — I recorded
·8· all of them, giving them to the FBI but keeping a copy — and
·9· planting false flags and talking about the Boston Marathon
10· bombing, same group — so, I do have those — I tried to end-
11· run.
12· · · · · · Because it got to the point where President Trump
13· was coming on strong.· It looked like he could actually take
14· it, and they weren’t gonna wait, so I exposed it.
15· · · · · · Like I said, I’d end-run them.· I went around them.
16· I went to the Department of Homeland Security with a ton of
17· paperwork and a couple hundred hours of audio and video, gave
18· it to them, and — I don’t know — overwhelmed, they got mad.
19· · · · · · I don’t know what happened to them, but they went
20· to the DOJ and the FBI, and it came right back on me, because
21· they certainly knew who I was, and, like I said, I’m sitting
22· in prison again and more B.S. charges.
23· · · · · · Going off of the first one — they said drug
24· charges, although there were no drugs there.· In the first
25· one they just said there were drugs. There were no boxes.
·1· They were imaginary.· But going off the first one, it was
·2· like “Well, he’s a previous offender.· Drugs.”
·3· · · · · · They said they got a surveillance warrant.· They
·4· said that they had observed me in a high-drug-trafficking
·5· area.· Later on, under oath, they had to admit that it was a
·6· Safeway.· They had “a pharmacy.”· That’s how they claimed it
·7· to get the surveillance, to keep it going.
·8· · · · · · So, they said, “We didn’t see him doing anything or
·9· engaging in any illegal activity, but he’s in that known
10· area, Safeway.”· We went grocery shopping.· But it was
11· enough.
12· · · · · · And they actually had to drop that charge later
13· because there was just nothing there.· There was no anything.
14· There was no drugs, no nothing.· The only thing I had was my
15· legal medication that I needed to try and recover from what
16· they had done, quite a bit of that.
17· · · · · · And they got the insurance fraud because I was
18· taking one medication that was a single-chemical medication.
19· It only had one in it, which was easier for me to absorb; I
20· have a lot of damage, the whole digestive system with scar
21· tissue because of that.
22· · · · · · They were giving me insecticide and dichlorvos and
23· barium sulfide, and it just ate through my whole system, and
24· now I’m all scar tissue, so I balloon up like this or I’ll
25· drop 50 pounds without thinking about it.· It’s not an easy
·1· balancing act.
·2· · · · · · Anyway, I was getting medication from doctors, all
·3· legal and legitimate, Medicare/Medicaid paying for it, and
·4· they changed the formula.· They actually sold the patent and
·5· changed the formula.· All those records are there.· They had
·6· to do this through the FDA and everything, so it’s not like
·7· they can hide it.
·8· · · · · · But I couldn’t take it.· I was taking it and
·9· getting violently ill and didn’t know why, and we figured out
10· that, you know, they changed the formula and I couldn’t take
11· it any longer.
12· · · · · · So, I was getting it while he was trying to find —
13· the doctor was trying to find something that I could take,
14· something that would work, and they said, “Well, you’re not
15· taking it as directed.· You have extra.· Insurance fraud.”
16· So, that’s where the insurance fraud came from, and that’s
17· what they used for the second incarceration.
18· · · · · · They labeled me as a gang member, white
19· supremacist, put me in a pod with 90 gang members, known gang
20· members.· I was the only white bald guy there.· All the rest
21· of them were Black Guerrilla Family or MS-13 of one version
22· or another.· That was an interesting few weeks.
23· · · · · · It was actually the Secret Service who helped me
24· get me into protective custody.· Rod was worried because
25· (inaudible) at the time, he’s shutting everything down.· This
·1· was to get me under control, especially since I went to
·2· outside channels.
·3· · · · · · He arranged that Shaun Bridges, the Secret Service
·4· agent who was charged with crimes in California and New York,
·5· that he was supposed to turn himself in in New York.
·6· · · · · · Well, Rod didn’t trust him.· He knew he’s ruthless
·7· — he tried to make a deal — so Rod had him arrested and
·8· brought into the same facility I was at while he was in
·9· Maryland, because he lived in Maryland.
10· · · · · · But he wanted to know when he was talking, so
11· everything had to go through Rod at that point, to control
12· it.· And that’s how he is.
13· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · Now, would Bridges be willing
14· to discuss any of this or comment on any of this, or is —
15· what would probably motivate Bridges to —
16· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · What would motivate him?
17· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · Yeah.
18· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · He’d wanna make a deal,
19· something to benefit himself, and some kind of money.· Or if
20· you knew previously about the Noisy As All thing, you know,
21· like keep it or something — he’s gonna want some kind of
22· deal.· But he can certainly corroborate.
23· · · · · · He can provide copies as well.· But, you know, he
24· had multiple copies of different things offline or — hard
25· drives or thumb drives somewhere.· His wife actually
·1· destroyed one by accident.
·2· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · Would Bridges have the Pence
·3· tapes?
·4· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · Most likely, because he was the
·5· one who encrypted it.· I know he was handed something like
·6· that because I know I copied them.· I made the copies.· It
·7· went to him for encryption, and if he saw something like
·8· that, he’d make copies.· So, more than likely he’s got them.
·9· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · And you said his — is his wife
10· an immigrant or is she an American?
11· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · I believe she was born her. I
12· actually knew her family longer than I knew him, and they
13· knew my doctor that I was getting information from.· They
14· lived very close, just a few minutes away from him.· So
15· (inaudible).
16· · · · · · But — she’s a very talented young lady, but she’s
17· just as corrupt and nasty as he is.· They’re all about the
18· money.· Like I said, she was in charge of a couple of copies
19· of stuff he had made, very safe.
20· · · · · · I mean, he copied a lot of stuff, not just that but
21· bank accounts, and not just blackmail things but any kind of
22· financials that he could get at, something he could do.
23· · · · · · A lot of people, a lot of politicians, have money
24· hidden overseas.· He could find it.· He could get into it.
25· So he wanted that.· Once he gets down south — if he gets
·1· released and gets to the south, man, he’s gonna rip them all
·2· off.
·3· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · Do you know his wife or
·4· girlfriend or — it’s his wife, you said?
·5· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · Ariana —
·6· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · Has she been —
·7· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · — Esposito.
·8· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · Has she been — Ariana
·9· Esposito, you said?
10· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · Yes.
11· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · Has she been involved in any
12· kind of specific crimes that you can tie her to?
13· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · She provided all kinds of
14· contraband to him, communications to him prior to that.· She
15· helped him with her stuff.· I mean, she would go out with him
16· when he was doing various illegal activities.
17· · · · · · She helped launder money and proceeds that they —
18· him and the others had accumulate illegally.· She even got
19· her mother to set up a tax service, a small business, that
20· could launder money, and set up several small cleaning
21· services to help launder the proceeds that they were doing.
22· · · · · · So, yeah, she was right in the middle of it.· She
23· was actually trained.· She was in the academy, I guess, to be
24· a state police officer when he was arrested —
25· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · Hmm.
·1· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · — and she lost that position
·2· because of it.· They weren’t married at the time, just a long
·3· engagement.· Then when he got arrested, they got married so
·4· she couldn’t testify, and then when he got sentenced they got
·5· divorced, and now it’s back to whatever version they have.
·6· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · Did you and Shaun have
·7· interactions while you were incarcerated together, or were
·8· you separated?
·9· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · We did, with Rod, with P.J.
10· Martinez, with other people, and most of them were
11· independent.· But, yeah, we were actually together for a
12· month or two.· They actually put him on the same protective
13· custody pod.
14· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · So, you’ve got a guy that would
15· be out for blood when this is over, when he’s finally out of
16· jail?
17· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · If he can get to South America,
18· where he has the money to protect himself, he’s gonna rip off
19· a lot of people.· He’s gonna rip off all the dirty
20· politicians.· I guess he has access to the stuff.
21· · · · · · He’s the one who manipulated the bitcoin market.
22· He’s the one who manipulated the Silk Road Task Force to get
23· all the money, the bitcoins that they had.
24· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · So, how were you released and
25· what has your life been like since that second incarceration?
·1· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · Well, there’s ginormous health
·2· problems since the first one with all the beatings and the
·3· poisoning and torture and stuff.
·4· · · · · · My medical records tend to scare people because it
·5· actually has medical code for intentional poisoning on there
·6· and people think I tried to kill myself, and I explain to
·7· them what it is so they can understand.· And I had some
·8· decent doctors throughout time, but it’s been nothing but a
·9· horrible balancing act health-wise.
10· · · · · · My wife’s lost her — her daughter has not spoken
11· to her since it happened, 2009.· She didn’t know she was
12· married, she didn’t know she’s a grandmother, and has not
13· seen or spoken to her daughter since 2009 because of this,
14· because her daughter believes everything the Court says.· Her
15· daughter’s actually an attorney, so she believes everything
16· they say.· So, she’s lost, to me, even more.
17· · · · · · But the health has been severely compromised.· I do
18· take several medications to help, hormone replacement being
19· one of them, because they actually crushed one testicle
20· beyond saving — I remember that night — and they damaged
21· the endocrine system so badly that I have to take supplements
22· and things to help with that, and other things to help me eat
23· and digest, things like that, because it’s all scar tissue.
24· · · · · · I don’t absorb well, so I take vitamin supplements,
25· things like that, to get what I need.· I have to take large
·1· amounts of medicine because I don’t absorb a fraction of it.
·2· · · · · · And then in 2015 when (inaudible) to get me, “He
·3· used all that against you, cut you all off.· He doesn’t need
·4· any of that.”· I mean, they cut me completely off, so now
·5· you’re going through withdrawals, they’re interrogating you.
·6· · · · · · I was interrogated multiple times by the FBI, CIA
·7· and — not CIA — excuse me — Secret Service.· That guy’s
·8· Secret Service.· It’s all in the transcripts of the Court.
·9· · · · · · There’s a very well-known like 14-hour
10· interrogation and then a seven-and-a-half-hour polygraph in
11· one day, back to back, because they wanted to know what was
12· going on, how exposed they were.· They wanted to know what
13· their plans — what plans I had revealed.
14· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · I hope you guys still have that
15· polygraph interview.
16· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · The FBI would have theirs, and
17· the Secret Service.· The Secret Service would have theirs.
18· They brought in their top polygraphers.· Nice people.· They
19· were very professional.· It was long.· You know, after 14
20· hours of the FBI and a seven-and-a-half-hour polygraph, no
21· matter how nice they are, it was a long day.
22· · · · · · But, of course, that has messed you up, and the
23· health still deteriorates, and Rod — I’m working with Ms.
24· Acheson on her case to expose this — Rod had me flagged in
25· the system by Rosati, so that cut off any — filling any
·1· medication.
·2· · · · · · I haven’t had any medications in 14 months, so I am
·3· bleeding and bloated and, no, not in the best shape, not as
·4· good a shape as I recovered to.
·5· · · · · · I’ll never be back to what I was, but I got to a
·6· decent place, because when I’m really bad I use canes to get
·7· around and stuff, I guess it’s just so weak (inaudible).· But
·8· it’s not been a good one.· I’ve been on probation until
·9· October of this year.
10· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · So, it’s been — what’s your
11· employment — your employment history been like in the last
12· couple years?
13· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · Sporadic.· I was working part-
14· time jobs, and I would work, and if the job got a little too
15· physical or something I would swell up.· I couldn’t work.
16· · · · · · It was hard to find work because you’re a felon,
17· and you can’t hold any professional licenses or be bonded or
18· anything like that, so you’re relegated to small, odd jobs.
19· · · · · · Like I said, if it was something a little too
20· physical, you couldn’t do it long because you would flare up
21· and then you’re decommissioned for a month while your
22· intestines heal back up or you stop bleeding or you’re in the
23· hospital again.· There weren’t many employers that would put
24· up with it that long.
25· · · · · · So, legally disabled because of it and working part
·1· time as best as I can right now.· I have one that’s fairly
·2· steady with some nice people, and I’m very grateful for it
·3· because it’s all we have.· It becomes a little much
·4· occasionally, but they’re nice people that work with me.
·5· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · So, what has been your — your
·6· ultimate — that word, I can’t say it correctly, but as far
·7· as coming forward, what are you hoping to see out of coming
·8· forward like this?· It’s a pretty bold move to come forward.
·9· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · Oh, yes, especially with a
10· history of being stalked (inaudible) to move forward.· People
11· need to know.· These people are still out there.· They’re
12· still affecting us negatively.· They’re still affecting tons
13· of other people negatively; look at what Pence just did to
14· the president and the country.
15· · · · · · Like I said, I tried to come forward in 2016, to
16· let the president know, because I was very excited he was
17· there, but Pence, and especially Ryan, consider him an
18· outsider.· He hasn’t paid his dues enough.
19· · · · · · But I’m coming forward again hoping that — you
20· know, I mean, if anybody looks at it seriously for ten
21· minutes, “Here’s the paperwork — look at it — records.
22· It’s not from me, it’s from FedEx” or “the post office.”
23· · · · · · Just look at the crap, clear it up, because I can’t
24· get medical care, I can’t work, I can’t support myself, I
25· can’t do anything.
·1· · · · · · Because when they did this Rod was super Mr.
·2· Integrity, you know, unanimously confirmed by both sides when
·3· he was, you know, DAG and all this.
·4· · · · · · And everybody knows what they’re like.· Everybody
·5· can see plainly how these people are.· And they’ve left a lot
·6· of damage in their wake.· You know, and they cover their
·7· crimes, they keep it quiet.
·8· · · · · · It’s out there now.· Everybody knows it.· When I
·9· was talking about it before nobody believed me, “You’re
10· crazy.”· No matter what you provided, they’re just like “Him?
11· No way.”
12· · · · · · And the judge in 2015, he told me.· He said, “He’s
13· the new DAG.”· He said, “You’re right.· In this case, you’re
14· gonna be wrong.”· He said, “Who do I want as an enemy, you or
15· him?”· So — but it just needs to be fixed and it needs to be
16· corrected as much as possible, and restored.
17· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · Now, as far as the active
18· threat to you now, what do you sense in that regard?
19· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · Well, there’s definitely a
20· threat.· Since the last stuff has come out in the last few
21· weeks there’s been open threats to myself, my wife, lots of
22· harassing and threatening phone calls.
23· · · · · · People are approaching my wife as a reporter trying
24· to get information, then when they can’t there’s threats.
25· · · · · · Rod has stepped it up, because not too long ago
·1· when Ms. Acheson — Cheryl Acheson did an interview with the
·2· president — President Trump — and he said that, you know,
·3· “Your case needs to be heard, this needs to be exposed,” and
·4· Rod knew what that meant, because I’m in that case, and so is
·5· Shawn Henry, the FBI guy.
·6· · · · · · So, they knew what was coming, and then the threats
·7· really ramped up then, so right now I have quite a target on
·8· my back still.· Fortunately, the people — the only good part
·9· is those people are not in power anymore, but their friends
10· are.
11· · · · · · But nothing’s been fixed — nothing’s been fixed
12· all this time — and there’s no way to defend yourself,
13· there’s no way to feel safe, and with the limited work
14· available, with the constraints of the health, it’s difficult
15· to pack up and leave, pack up and move, which we’ve done more
16· than once, for safety.
17· · · · · · Right now, Rosati, the one responsible for most of
18· the health issues, has moved back from Delaware into
19· Maryland, and he is roughly 20 minutes away from where we
20· live.· He doesn’t know that, but I do.· Boroshok is half an
21· hour the other way.
22· · · · · · They don’t know where we’re at.· They moved there.
23· So, we’re surrounded.· But it’s — it’s tense.· It’s a very
24· tense situation.
25· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · All right.· Anything else,
·1· folks?
·2· · · · · · UNKNOWN FEMALE:· · ·No.· That’s all.
·3· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · Do you have anything else to
·4· add?
·5· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · No.· That’s just — we’re
·6· hoping that this benefits people, benefits the president on
·7· down.· Somebody has to know that this was a planned coup,
·8· they had planned this, and I wrote two years ago online — a
·9· year ago I wrote in July exactly what they were gonna do
10· because I knew about it.
11· · · · · · And you can look it up easy enough.· It’s right
12· there.· This was planned.· Don’t let them get away with it.
13· Please.· I need help desperately, but, hey, take care of the
14· country first.
15· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · I guess the final question
16· would be, are you aware of any specific people in the
17· president’s circle now that you would warn him about?
18· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · Now?· I did bring up ones —
19· overseers (inaudible) “the Italian Job,” as I called it, and
20· that was Obama’s connection to the computers and the voting
21· and the stuff in Italy — this was online, Twitter; you can
22· find it easy enough — and I was the one who was able to get
23· some information out about Ron Yearwood and Jordan and all
24· those guys.
25· · · · · · The president did confirm it in some fashion and
·1· fired them, and then the next one, the White House counsel,
·2· the president’s counsel, the chief counsel, was able to
·3· confirm it when they fired them after I had gotten stuff to
·4· them.· So, some things did get through.
·5· · · · · · But, like I said, they lost a lot of control here
·6· in this country in 2016, so they started shipping it overseas
·7· for 2018, and then obviously 2020.· And this one, again,
·8· Molly McCulley had uncovered and shared it with a few people,
·9· who are also not here.
10· · · · · · Because this was control.· They had to get some
11· type of control back because the president had both houses,
12· and the presidency.
13· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · All right.· Well, thank you,
14· Ryan.· I appreciate it.
15· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · How’s your kid?
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