What about Moon and 42? :-)
Can you keep up with everyone’s hand?
I’ve never played those games. A group of us friends used to play chicken feet once a month and take turns cooking dinner, but we only gambled pennies on the game. When I moved to Texas I a bunch of pennies to my friend, and I still have pennies.
I played online poker for awhile, and got to know the chronic bluffers. But it’s hard to tell without observing the players.