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To: MtnClimber

“overwhelming that ivermectin (IVM) and hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) are effective for preventing and treating COVID”

Perhaps because the evidence isn’t that overwhelming? Most of these studies are small, and they all test against doing nothing, rather than the current treatment regime used here with a mix of steroids, anti-inflammatory, and anti-coagulation drugs.


5 posted on 06/16/2021 4:40:47 AM PDT by Renfrew
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To: Renfrew
“overwhelming that ivermectin (IVM) and hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) are effective for preventing and treating COVID”

Perhaps because the evidence isn’t that overwhelming? Most of these studies are small, and they all test against doing nothing, rather than the current treatment regime used here with a mix of steroids, anti-inflammatory, and anti-coagulation drugs.

Agree that evidence is overwhelming that HCQ and Ivermectin are effective in preventing serious illness when used early:

Following are 100's of studies showing this, looks overwhelming to me:

HCQ: https://c19hcq.com/

Ivermectin: https://c19ivermectin.com/

34 posted on 06/16/2021 6:57:20 AM PDT by TruthWillWin (Joe is not my POTUS)
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To: Renfrew

And tried it. almost everyone my colleagues and I admitted this spring was put on hydroxychloroquine. The results were underwhelming at best


38 posted on 06/16/2021 7:43:28 AM PDT by Mom MD ( )
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To: Renfrew; SeekAndFind; ransomnote

Perhaps because the evidence isn’t that overwhelming? Most of these studies are small, and they all test against doing nothing, rather than the current treatment regime used here with a mix of steroids, anti-inflammatory, and anti-coagulation drugs.


So says the n00b, against what REAL and highly credentialed docs are saying.


43 posted on 06/16/2021 8:15:26 AM PDT by Jane Long (America, Bless God....blessed be the Nation 🙏🏻🇺🇸)
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To: Renfrew
“overwhelming that ivermectin (IVM) and hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) are effective for preventing and treating COVID”

Perhaps because the evidence isn’t that overwhelming? Most of these studies are small, and they all test against doing nothing, rather than the current treatment regime used here with a mix of steroids, anti-inflammatory, and anti-coagulation drugs.

Exactly, there are few US studies on these drugs and the studies have conflicting results.

The Broward Health study showing an effect with Ivermectin shows HCQ does nothing in their patients.

The latest St. Barnabas study was on severely ill covid patients that just happened to have 37 or so patients that got a higher than usual dose of HCQ. The high dose had a mortality benefit with about half surviving. The study found lower doses of HCQ did nothing, with low HCQ or usual care having about 16% surviving.

The St Barnabas study took about a year to get published online. So we have a study that shows in 37 people with severe covid, who received weight based high dose HCQ provides 50% survival in those 37 patients.

That's probably enough for doctors to try it in their own ICU patients with COVID-19 but it is meaningless as to how to use the drug in patients with less severe cases of COVID-19.

If you have COVID and want to try either medication be my guest I'm against stopping doctors from prescribing these medications once an informed decision has been made by the patient. But good luck finding a doctor willing to take on the liability. The US is a litigious society and many doctors are not willing to buck the standard of care.

53 posted on 06/16/2021 9:02:45 AM PDT by stig
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