try this link:
https://rumble.com/vdf4nn-james-clapper-interrogation-2.html?mref=2hzb1&mrefc=2
there is also a #5 interrogation w/ clap found at this rumble link
shorties w/ about 8 min run time +/-
don’t know who the interrogator is. they’ve scrubbed him up pretty clean on DDG
Clap does sound awake but the interview was garbled
It is Ryan White AKA JohnHereToHelp being interviewed by Linn Wood.