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To: Varda
Humans evolved in East Africa. That makes the Dutch the first Europeans there not first humans unless you think other than Europeans aren’t human.

When the Dutch colonized South Africa, they ere the first humans to go to Capetown. Aren't the Dutch then the indigenous or native people to that area in much the same way that those who entered North and South America over the Siberian land bridge, indigenous to those areas?

Indigenous in the context of anthropology (which is listed in your dictionary definitions) means first humans to occupy the land.

There are many areas of North and South America where the first humans to occupy the land were from Europe, not Asia.

You’re doing what liberals always do. Redefine the language to suit yourself.

No. You have bought into the construct that Europeans are occupying native lands. Sort of a territorial imperative. Just like we are a nation of immigrants. Who got there first imbues the "native/indigenous" people with certain rights and the moral high ground. We owe them something regardless of how much time elapses. There were warring tribes long before the Europeans got here. They seized one anothers territory.

BTW - by your definition Europeans are Asians since the vast majority of the European gene pool migrated out of Asia.

My definition? I don't recognize "native/indigenous" people. but rather, an earlier wave of migrants.

There's no such thing as a 'pure' European—or anyone else.


43 posted on 06/02/2021 4:28:59 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

South Africa is not East Africa. Nevertheless the Dutch weren’t the first in Africa. Because the inhabitants were nomadic doesn’t negate their status as first inhabitants.

The word “indigenous” has one meaning in this context and that meaning doesn’t add a value beyond that.
However you seem to agree with liberals that there is a value attached to that meaning. That is that nobody other than the indigenous has property rights.

Sorry I don’t buy that. Land is the property of those who can hold it. If the Europeans don’t reproduce either themselves or their culture, I see no special right to the land they’ve occupied most of the Holocene. The ancestors of modern Europeans took it from the Mesolithic inhabitants before them. It looks like new Asiatics or Africans will take the land from modern Europeans if things don’t change.The next wave of humans who occupy every land has every right to it. It’s the right of conquest.


44 posted on 06/02/2021 5:00:52 PM PDT by Varda
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