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Addressing The "Concern" Posted On Free Republic That Deaths Following Covid-19 "Vaccination" And Published To VAERS Are COINCIDENTAL And Not Useful Indicators of Safety
5/24/2021 | vanity

Posted on 05/24/2021 2:18:06 PM PDT by ransomnote

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To: DugwayDuke

some of us have a low opinion of you...


21 posted on 05/24/2021 3:02:35 PM PDT by heavy metal (smiling improves your face value as well as making people wonder what the hell you're up to... 😁)
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To: viewfromthefrontier
"if I died in 2020, it was COVID, no matter what."

Deaths from most causes in 2020 were right in line with normal expectations. Same number of cancer deaths as the year before, slightly more heart disease deaths than the year before, etc. And if causes of death were being shuffled around in 2020, total deaths would be unchanged. Total deaths in 2020 were actually 523,000 higher than 2019, which is an over 18% jump over 2019. Normal year-over-year increases are 0.3% - 0.7%. 18% hasn't been seen since WWII.

"If I die in 2021, it will NEVER be related to a COVID vaccine. (example exaggerated to make the point)"

Is the other possibility simply that no deaths have yet been found to have been caused by a vaccine? I mean, no death certificates state that cause of death was laser blast by space aliens either. That doesn't mean there's some grand conspiracy hiding all the victims of space alien laser blasts; there simply haven't been any.

"Is it any wonder the general public does not trust the advice to vaccinate?"

164,000,000 Americans have already gotten a COVID-19 vaccine. That includes over 85% of seniors who've gotten at least one dose already. There's only about 7% who claim they'll never get it.

22 posted on 05/24/2021 3:03:10 PM PDT by 2aProtectsTheRest (The media is banging the fear drum enough. Don't help them do it.)
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest

@9 could be true and hopefully it is. We will find out in the Fall (next cold and flu season). For now just wanting the numbers to sustain. Most everyone I know has taken a vaccine.


23 posted on 05/24/2021 3:03:13 PM PDT by week 71
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest

2aProtectsTheRest is banging the fear drum enough. Don’t help them do it...


24 posted on 05/24/2021 3:04:12 PM PDT by heavy metal (smiling improves your face value as well as making people wonder what the hell you're up to... 😁)
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To: heavy metal; DugwayDuke
some of us have a low opinion of you...

*raises hand*

I do! I do!


25 posted on 05/24/2021 3:08:59 PM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest

I always find it fascinating when a factual statement is radiated with hey idiot trust the gubmint

The Alinaky technique combined with the whataboutisms clearly reveal a factual counter argument from their side simply does not exist.


26 posted on 05/24/2021 3:09:32 PM PDT by gas_dr (Conditions of Socratic debate: Intelligence, Candor, and Good Will. )
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To: RetiredTexasVet

“Shots are being given in supermarkets, drug stores, street corners, etc. and there is no way that any follow up is being done.”

Maybe no follow-up now, but you can bet that when someone gets an injection all of his personal data is entered into some system. How/if it’ll be useful to them in the future is anybody’s guess. If they’re not collecting information, that would be good in that they’d not know if you lied and said you were injected when you weren’t.

Looking back at all of this a year from now will be interesting, I think.


27 posted on 05/24/2021 3:10:16 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam (Faith, not fear. Faith, not faintheartedness.)
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest

What time is your Zoom meeting with Fauci tonight?


28 posted on 05/24/2021 3:11:22 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam (Faith, not fear. Faith, not faintheartedness.)
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest; mrsmith
I mean, no death certificates state that cause of death was laser blast by space aliens either.

Goofy.

There are no space aliens shooting lazer beams at people.

There ARE, however, tons of people injecting poison fake 'vax' into their arms.

You people and your analogies. I guess you must think we normals are idiots (I know Mrs. Mith does).

#ShoutOutToMrsMith


29 posted on 05/24/2021 3:12:02 PM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: erkelly
"The death rate from this virus is .002%."

No, the Infection Fatality Rate of COVID-19 is between 0.65% and 1%. You're off by orders of magnitude.

"Further, now that hysteria is dying down, the real data is showing that people who do catch this virus, and who become quite sick with it (most people do not) the infection is easily treated with the chloroquinolone protocol or Ivermectin."

No, you need to talk to actual ICU physicians treating real patients. They'll laugh at your claims there. The only known effective treatment is monoclonal antibody therapy. That's why President Trump got it when he was in the hospital: because it actually works. They didn't bother giving him Ivermectin or HCQ or colloidal silver or anything else. They gave him monoclonal antibody therapy. But it's not 100%. It's likely closer to around 70%, which is wonderful, but it doesn't beat prevention.

"If you recall, Pres. Trump recovered after 3 days with Remdisvir, yet another medication that leads to rapid and full recovery."

No, he was given Regeneron and he praised it as a "blessing from God".

"So why, in heaven’s name, would you support the administration of an untested vaccine"

It's not untested. Testing began with Phase 1 clinical trials on March 16, 2020. That's well over a year ago. President Trump himself stated that the Pfizer vaccine had passed the "gold standard of safety testing". The three vaccines available in the US today have all gone through full Phase 1, Phase 2, and Phase 3 clinical trials. Over 100,000 participants were in those trials. All of them are safe and effective. President Trump said so himself after looking at the data.

"which has a number of serious and sometimes fatal side effects"

Serious side effects are rare (anywhere from 1 in 90,000 to 1 in 1.1 million depending on which you're talking about). There are zero deaths known to have been caused by any COVID-19 vaccine anywhere in the United States.

30 posted on 05/24/2021 3:12:39 PM PDT by 2aProtectsTheRest (The media is banging the fear drum enough. Don't help them do it.)
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest

“Every death in the United States is subject to a medical investigation to determine the cause of death.”

That’s hilarious.


31 posted on 05/24/2021 3:14:02 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam (Faith, not fear. Faith, not faintheartedness.)
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest

why should anyone believe anything you say when you refuse to practice what your own tagline preaches???...


32 posted on 05/24/2021 3:14:56 PM PDT by heavy metal (smiling improves your face value as well as making people wonder what the hell you're up to... 😁)
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To: bagster

Only ones calling it “poison” are you and Louis Farrakhan.

Interesting company you keep. Me? I’m on board with the Trump vaccines. He has specifically demanded credit for the vaccines. Will you give it to him?


33 posted on 05/24/2021 3:15:22 PM PDT by 2aProtectsTheRest (The media is banging the fear drum enough. Don't help them do it.)
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To: ransomnote

Doesn’t matter....for every person who died after recieving the vaccine the probability of death by vaccine equals 1.


34 posted on 05/24/2021 3:19:03 PM PDT by Crim (Palin / West '16)
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To: gas_dr
The Alinaky technique combined with the whataboutisms clearly reveal a factual counter argument from their side simply does not exist.

Ironically, the accusation of 'Alinaky (sic) technique' also reveals a factual counter argument doesn't exist going the other way.

You may be a fine doctor, gassy, but your intellectual debate skills are not up to snuff.

When one parrots the 'government line', one can be properly accused with 'hey idiot, trust the government'.

You vaxxers completely follow the government line of 'everybody needs the vax, the vax is necessary, the vax is safe, the vax is effective', despite the MOUNTAINS of evidence dribbling out that it is neither safe, nor effective.

And yet you persist, not adjusting your arguments one bit. 2a just had the nerve to say NOT A SINGLE DEATH has been caused by the vax.

A retarded cantaloupe would know that not to be true.

And yet he persists.

Is it pride with you people? With you, I think yes. With 2a and others, I suspect more nefarious motives.

With a smattering of willful ignorance mixed in.


35 posted on 05/24/2021 3:20:47 PM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: DugwayDuke

These days, people just want to keep their jobs, at any cost.

The mantra has changed:

See something, say nothing.

This includes healthcare professionals.


36 posted on 05/24/2021 3:21:06 PM PDT by miserare ( Respect for life--life of all kinds-- is the first principle of civilization.~~A. Schweitzer.)
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To: Crim

Doesn’t matter....for every person who died after recieving the vaccine the probability of death by vaccine equals 1.

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All die eventually but natural deaths normally don’t cluster around vaccination date.
About 1/3 die within the first 2 days following ‘vaccination.’ Most die within 30 days.


37 posted on 05/24/2021 3:24:01 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest
Only ones calling it “poison” are you and Louis Farrakhan.

We've been over this. Its not my fault that brother Farrakhan is a follower of mine. My followers are legion, and I cannot be held responsible for the wrong-think of some of them.

Brother Farrakhan is correct on this issue.

Nice attempt at shaming me out of my position, pharma.

Me? I’m on board with the Trump vaccines.

No schiff, Sherlock. Its not like you don't make your sales pitch 24 hours a day, every day, like a good little government stooge.

He has specifically demanded credit for the vaccines. Will you give it to him?

I always give credit where credit is due.

Trump may live to regret his ignorant support for this derp state potion. Let's hope not.

Again, nice try attempting to shame me out of my position.

You people and your tactics. We smarts are not babies.


38 posted on 05/24/2021 3:29:14 PM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: gas_dr

how do you have so much free time to spend posting on these threads when you have all those covid patients to take care of???...


39 posted on 05/24/2021 3:30:24 PM PDT by heavy metal (smiling improves your face value as well as making people wonder what the hell you're up to... 😁)
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To: bagster

I give you credit for sticking to your guns, but I really think you should reconsider your position when it pits you and Louis Farrakhan against President Trump. President Trump has a bad (wonderful) habit of making fools out of those who doubt him.

All evidence thus far points to President Trump being right about this as well.


40 posted on 05/24/2021 3:31:46 PM PDT by 2aProtectsTheRest (The media is banging the fear drum enough. Don't help them do it.)
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