Posted on 05/22/2021 2:26:40 PM PDT by ransomnote
I needed to visit the VA so it was merely an excuse for me to go. Your milage may vary.
the elderly tend to vote more conservative.
And are majority white.
Its the war on whites but a different front.
Prove you wrong:
Smallpox has been eradicated (Very deadly disease)
Pertusis is no longer clinically significant
Measles
Mumps
Rubella
Varicella
Polio
There are seven disease processes that have either been controlled or extinguished via vaccine.
You are proven wrong.
Good day
It’s really sad people on this board keep posting highly misleading information on these vaccines. It’s almost like they want the virus to win and more people to die or have long term consequences from this virus.
It’s just bizarre.
Today’s a bad day to say that healthy people need the vaccine. I just lost a friend today to the vaccine. She was a beautiful 35-year-old healthy adult. She would’ve had no problem surviving Covid. But she could not survive the vaccine.
VAERS is supposed to be the starting point for differentiating between adverse events and adverse effects. So, what 8s your point?
If VAERS is moderated, it is no longer a self-reporting system.
It is hard to get information. You impressed me with your good sense, so perhaps you will know the answer to my question or perhaps suggest where I might look.
Now, I can understand, I may be kidding myself, but I do understand the cerebral venous thrombosis with thrombocytopenia in the Oxford/AZ and Janssen shots. I do not confuse this with the mRNA shots, though aware of the death of Dr. Michaels with only the platelet disorder part, and two others who recovered completely because by then the danger signs were understood. Do you know anyone if not yourself who has suggested another reasonable mechanism by which the Moderna shot is dangerous?
The closest thing to that which I have seen so far is the suggestion that they kill because they work as intended, which is to say that the spike protein itself is deadly. My friends seem to be satisfied with the fact that deaths are reported in VAERS, so I tried to look for a clue in symptom patterns and can find none. Now some are saying that the VAERS data have been manipulated and instead of thousands there have been millions. This pivot is an admission.
VAERS data could be manipulated by a conspiracy sure but that assertion is completely beside the point. How does it kill? What hypothesis is suggested for the danger?
To use your example, if you want to show that people are going blind 20 years after Lasik, then simply point out the way that the laser does that. Did blindness happen with the old cutters? Should not be hard to do.
Please pardon me if my frustration shows. I do welcome correction and contradiction. Warm regards!
I responded to the blanket statement that the vaccine industry is evil.
I did some calculations while I was taking time away from this forum due to the insanity of it. The fact of the matter is as follows:
Even if we stipulate that there have been 4500 of so deaths (as recorded in VAERS) and we take a daily weighted average that would yield 22 deaths each day (again stipulating that the VAERS is correct and that each death is actually caused by the vaccine which it is not).
Taken in Context the top 10 leading causes of death in America on a daily average ranges from heart disease (1600 / day) down to suicide (120 / day)
In America there are 104 traffic deaths per day.
So to put it in context, standardizing the 4000 or so deaths across 180 days to annualize the figure that is touted around here that meant that you are 5x more likely to die in a traffic accident than from this vaccine
When people start calling for the elimination of cars, then I will take them seriously.
Of course, the VAERS data which people do not want to admit does not demonstrate causality. This is just the fact. Are the deaths from the vaccine? Probably, but they are likely few and far between. If this vaccine were this dangerous, on the roughly 200M plus vaccines that were administered, the bodies would be piling up — it would be more than obvious.
While I offer my sincerest condolences on the death of your friend, I will not dismiss you assertion that she died from the vaccine. Nonetheless, it would be useful to understand the timing and mechanism of death instead of a broad and unsubstantiated statement.
I will keep you and your friend and her family in my prayers.
How many of those vaccines were RNA based?
You are absolutely correct. I just posted analytical analysis using their data points and accepting them for the sake of argument. I expect numerous insults and belligerent posts but mind you, none will argue the actual data presented.
The assertion was that the vaccine industry is pure evil. So, if he wants to moderate his statement to include only mRNA vaccines, then he will need to modify it. However the person to whom I responded paints the entire vaccine industry as evil. I have refuted his argument. Changing the parameters of his argument therefore admits that it is incorrect.
“VAERS is supposed to be the starting point for differentiating between adverse events and adverse effects. So, what 8s your point?”
That is my point. Starting point.
The author uses adverse effect incorrectly. Adverse event refers to everything. The starting point, as you put it. In a clinical trial anything that happens is an adverse event. This literally includes getting hit by a bus, falling down, breaking an arm etc... Anything and everything must be recorded.
These are adverse events that occur to participants in a trial and to be comprehensive must be recorded and included in trial data.
This is the start, to use your terminology again.
Adverse events are examined to determine if they were test substance related, in other words were they caused by the test substance,mare they an effect of the test substance.
If so they are recorded as adverse effects.
Adverse affects are adverse events that can be attributed to the test substance.
It is dishonest to use adverse event data and present it as adverse effect.
You have a part in the bifurcation of the argument, as well.
It is also dishon3st to moderate adverse events to limit adverse effects.
I have not biurficated anything. The fact of the matter is a blanket statement was made, and refuted. Now the scramble to walk it back to the CoVID vaccine only. We can discern from he posts of the one to whom I answered that he or she is antivaxx on every vaccine. These are the facts, and they are not in dispute.
Your logic is sound and succinct. Thank you.
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Nice list.
Now do THIS century.
For example, I’m a huge fan of Eric Clappner, and his story had a huge impact on me.
Thanks for your post and your work on this board. It’s definitely appreciated by me.
Another thing I find just as bizarre with these negative anti vaccine threads is the United States has recorded the lowest Covid numbers since last June and the reason for that is the vaccines.
We all should be celebrating this drop. It shows we are actually getting out of this horrible mess due to the vaccines. Yet, people keep posting misleading information to try to extend this horrible disease.
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