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Auto Suppliers Just Realized EVs Will Cost Them Jobs
The Truth About Cars ^ | 04-28-2021 | Matt Posky

Posted on 04/28/2021 7:42:21 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd

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To: McGavin999

61 posted on 04/29/2021 2:44:06 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: jmacusa

Union rank and file are MAGA.


62 posted on 04/29/2021 2:45:16 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: jonrick46

“If you have natural gas, a natural gas generator would be a good way to charge your EV during a power outage.”

for those of us in the country and don’t have access to natural gas, a dual fuel (LP gas/gasoline) might be the trick. such a generator supplied by a 500 gallon or 1000 gallon LP tank may allow one with a EV car to drive around while ICE vehicles sit as the gas stations are closed because of lack of power.


63 posted on 04/29/2021 2:51:54 AM PDT by Armscor38
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To: Responsibility2nd

China controls 80% of the global battery market, and almost 100% of the raw materials for EV batteries.

China. The CCP.


64 posted on 04/29/2021 2:56:22 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: ctdonath2

> I can’t make my own gasoline, period.

True, gasoline is difficult to synthesize at less than an industrial scale.

However, isobutanol is fairly simple to create and purify via the ABE process, and works well as a drop-in replacement for gasoline in all modern automotive gasoline engines.

Someone with a small farm could make their own butanol to run their cars, but it would probably have problems with the fuel tax laws.


65 posted on 04/29/2021 2:56:26 AM PDT by Mr170IQ
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To: Responsibility2nd

Put them to work building nuclear power plants and upgrading the power grid. Buy Dung’s EV mandates will require both.


66 posted on 04/29/2021 2:58:13 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Der Impfstoff macht frei.)
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To: Armscor38

In Juneau, for example, there are almost 300 EV owners, and the borough has already placed an order to add an electric bus to its fleet. “

Good for all of them! Now please report back in 3-4 years. I’d seriously like to know the driving stats of some of the cars, especially the bus.

We rarely, if ever get any of that feedback about winter stats, switchbacks to ICE vehicles or any other infrastructure issues.

Here in my neck of the woods. (Wisconsin) The EV’s are stored in the winter. They are Everywhere in the other 3 seasons though. I see fewer hybrids out in winter too. DKW though.


67 posted on 04/29/2021 2:59:44 AM PDT by BigpapaBo (If it don't kill you it'll make you _________!)
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To: ctdonath2
What's the source for those numbers?

The Tesla battery pack alone contains:

“The most popular battery pack supplied by Tesla contains 7,104 18650 cells in 16 444 cell modules capable of storing up to 85 kWh of energy. In 2015 Panasonic altered the anode design, increasing cell capacity by about 6%, enabling the battery packs to store up to 90 kWh of energy. More recently, Tesla engineers reconfigured the internals of the battery pack to hold 516 cells in each module for a total of 8,256 cells capable of storing a little more than 100 kWh of energy enabling the cars to enjoy a range of over 300 miles.”

Source:

https://evannex.com/blogs/news/understanding-teslas-lithium-ion-batteries

That's just the number of cells, think larger AA battery size...doesn't include the container , battery management system components, internal cell connectors, etc. Then there are the regular car components, suspension, comfort items, body parts, etc. Total way more than number cited.

Granted that max number of assembled components are utilized, but still parts is parts. So that argument doesn't hold.

Good news is that the pine tree air freshener dangles will still have a market.

68 posted on 04/29/2021 3:22:32 AM PDT by Covenantor (We are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and fools who can not govern. " Chesterton)
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To: Responsibility2nd

It’s not about the vehicles.

It’s about the grid.

I guarantee you we’ll have suitable vehicles before we have the grid capacity and infrastructure to supply them.

And consumers will still be screwed.


69 posted on 04/29/2021 3:25:54 AM PDT by mewzilla (Those aren't masks. They're muzzles. )
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To: cornfedcowboy

EV’s, in a truly free-market? I’d be fine with that. But they aren’t the answer to every automotive question. I think there would be on in most near suburban driveways as the daily commuter car. But a lot of families have an SUV or even a Pickup if they’re going to do anything as a family. And forget about EV’s in rural areas. Less practical.


70 posted on 04/29/2021 3:41:06 AM PDT by Tallguy
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To: Responsibility2nd

my driveway, my choice...


71 posted on 04/29/2021 3:51:17 AM PDT by heavy metal (smiling improves your face value as well as making people wonder what the hell you're up to... 😁)
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To: Responsibility2nd

instead of more mandates, they should eliminate the rules blocking golf carts from city streets.

also, remove safety features, required of automobiles, from the EV’S.

eventually, everything returns to sanity


72 posted on 04/29/2021 3:57:13 AM PDT by Steven Tyler
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To: Responsibility2nd

Please allow me to agree AND disagree with you.

Battery technologies will advance as will the availability of charging locations, but ...

Time to charge comes down to kWh (capacity) of the battery divided by kW of the charging system (rate of charge).

A large ICE has a 100kWH battery, +/-. To charge that in 5 minutes is an impractical volts × amps (watts) number.

Germany is considering deploy 800 +/- V charging stations that will charge a passenger vehicle to full in less than 30 minutes. 800 V AC is “huge” voltage, along with the required amperage. That’s heavy/medium industrial AC supply.

Not impossible, but ...

E.g. even if you upgrade household service to a little over 300 V, ya ain’t getting close to a 5 minute charge time.

Lastly, the thermal effects of a 5 minute charge time to 100 kWh is really something.

Better model is to pull your vehicle into a charged-battery “filling station” and let a robotic arm swap your battery pack.


73 posted on 04/29/2021 4:03:48 AM PDT by Blueflag
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To: Blueflag

Correction: ICE should be EV.

We regret the error.


74 posted on 04/29/2021 4:05:55 AM PDT by Blueflag
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To: Responsibility2nd
It really won’t be long before charging times are in the 5 to 10 minute range and the battery range will be at least 500 miles or more.

The amount of energy a vehicle needs to travel 500 miles is the same regardless of how fast it is charged (assuming that other factors such as speed, driving style, and environmental conditions are the same). But if you reduce the charge time, say by a factor of 10, you will need 10 times the current (amps) to deliver that amount of energy to the vehicle.

You are dreaming if you think that sort of current capacity, multiplied by millions, will be available any time soon without a massively expensive rebuilding of our energy infrastructure.

While it may well be possible to achieve the charge times you claim, in a practical sense, it isn't going to happen.

75 posted on 04/29/2021 4:09:18 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Der Impfstoff macht frei.)
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To: Jeff Gordon
Gas station pumps run on electricity. When the power goes out, gas does not get pumped.

That's a business decision. While stationed overseas, we powered the fuel pump from the battery of each vehicle being filled.

Stateside, commercial gas station owners don't want to put in generators because they can't recoup the costs and don't trust the gas jockeys to not burn the place down.

76 posted on 04/29/2021 4:19:44 AM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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To: central_va

But the UAW went and endorsed the clown.


77 posted on 04/29/2021 4:41:46 AM PDT by jmacusa (The result of conformity is everyone will like you but yourself.)
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To: BigpapaBo; Armscor38
Juneau ain't exactly Fairbanks or Anchorage.



Heck, it's warmer than Cleveland.
78 posted on 04/29/2021 4:45:43 AM PDT by Jagermonster ("God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God in him." 1 John 4:16, NKJV.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Might be a lot of job openings building either Nuclear or Fossil Fuel burning power plants. There is no other was to provide the amount of electricity that will be needed to charge all those vehicles and it has to come from somewhere.

Solar panels and bird blenders simply can't meet the demand.

79 posted on 04/29/2021 4:51:30 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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To: Jeff Gordon

Most people living in disaster areas have extra gas on hand. How do you have an extra can of electricity on hand?


80 posted on 04/29/2021 4:53:07 AM PDT by McGavin999 (biden is not my president )
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