Posted on 04/20/2021 6:45:24 PM PDT by anthropocene_x
i’ve never had a computer that failed on me, ever.
i have retired them, but they all work
but you cant even replace or modify anything in them if you had to, or even take it to someone else to repair outside of apple, that could do the repair properly
thats the problem
they have deliberately made that impossible
in order to charge exorbitant repair and replacement part costs, after you already paid a large amount of money for the product itself
It’s unlike Apple to cannibalize themselves in this manner. But, it seems inevitable that’s the direction they’re headed, by design or unintentionally.
I was saying this on another thread, but owning 3rdGEN iPad, I’ve never thought that I needed more power. iPadOS doesn’t really run anything that taxes that A12x. Apple must have already lined up some big developers to bring much more powerful apps to iPadOS because without the software to leverage the power of the M1, what’s the point upgrading?
Unfortunately, for the reason you cite, I bet there are a lot of people who would ditch the Mac in favor of the flexibility of the iPad, presuming they get the software support they need to make it a legit pro-tool.
The inventor of Autocorrect can go to Hello.
On desktop and workstation workflows, the M1 - while impressive - isn’t necessarily a game-changer. But, where it is a game-changer is in mobile computing. It really is a generational advancement.
Apple has long been focused on so-called ‘creators.’ In this regard, the power of the M1 has enabled these content creators - many of whom place a high value on mobility - to do things in a very tiny package that simply weren’t feasible or even possible with x86 mobile CPUs packaged similarly.
To put it in some perspective, in some tasks, the M1 is near parity with the 28-core Xeon (205w TDP) that comes in the highest configuration of the Mac Pro. That’s remarkable.
Also used in the 24” iMac.
Is it really auto-cannibalizing? Or just progress obviating lingering tech?
New iMac is very nearly just a 24” iPad.
My 1999 G3 blue & White Power Mac, 2002 iBook 14”, 2009 mac Mini (2009) - all work perfectly with no repairs, breakdowns or other hardware problems to this day.
Sorry you need to repair your stuff
You’re right. It is....running MacOS, though. I think cannibalization depends on what (if any) changes they make to iPadOS.
There’s a reason Apple never made a 2-in-1 or even a Macbook with a touchscreen; they didn’t want to hurt iPad sales. But, with this chip in the iPad, why buy a Macbook if iPad provides the software support pro-users need?
The marketing tag, ‘It’s not a computer,’ seems even sillier now.
The fact is we have reached a level of computing power where 99% of users wouldn’t notice anything greater. Now the push is on power use and size.
You just now figuring out they are a business looking to make a profit?
Ever wonder why every battery powered tool has a unique battery? Ever wonder why you have a whole drawer of wall wart power supply that you have no clue what they go to? Apple used to use the standard ADB plug that fit the same as any other but with a different pin out? Did you know that fully 90% of Apple customers never up grade their computers? Would you believe that there are very few Pro users compared to the casual users? Would you believe that younger people use almost exclusively their iPhones as their computer?
Having said that I wish that Apple did make machines that were more upgradable but they don't, so if that is your main concern, just don't buy them. I still have two 2009 Mac Pros just because they are just what I want in the way of expandability, fact is for what I am doing now a 2012 Mac Mini is more than adequate, so I have 4 of them.
The new iMac 24 inch is powerful and colorful, designed to appeal to the student or grand parents, not the power user and you should consider them as disposable.
All true but you are not the customer those machines are made for. The new iMac is clearly a beginners machine that can operate some serious applications for production but it should not be the first machine a content creator chooses to invest in. It will never be able to do any more than it was built to do, just like an iPad.
Will Apple ever make a truly easily upgradable machine? Probably not, but they make machines that run Mac OS and that is why the average user really buys Mac.
All true but you are not the customer those machines are made for. The new iMac is clearly a beginners machine that can operate some serious applications for production but it should not be the first machine a content creator chooses to invest in. It will never be able to do any more than it was built to do, just like an iPad.
Will Apple ever make a truly easily upgradable machine? Probably not, but they make machines that run Mac OS and that is why the average user really buys Mac.
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Apple BILLS itself as a content creators computer. The Old black iMac Pro was just about perfect - except you can’t play the PC upgrade game with it. You must drop $5,000 or $10,000 at one time on a machine that will lose perceived processing power as apps get more complex or add features.
Was watching an Unreal webinar yesterday on their new car configurator project (absolutely great for advertising agencies). I could almost hear the audible collective groan when the Unreal Engineer said it will not work with the new M1 anytime in the future. Sure the basic rig would work, not the car paint shaders
Will not work on a Mac as all the shader tech is Nvidia/ AMD based, and all current software is GPU bound (the more GPU cores for processing the better). This includes the base renderers of DirectX, OpenGL and Vulkan. The only one that’s not is Metal. 8 M1 GPU cores <<<<<< NVIDIA or AMD GPU thousands of cores.
As a side note, the side view of the new iMac and that of the iPad Pro with added Keyboard is strikingly similar.
the M1 is near parity with the 28-core Xeon (205w TDP) that comes in the highest configuration of the Mac Pro. That’s remarkable.
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1. The old trash can Mac Pro is very dated tech.
2. No decent content creator software (there is a mobile version of Photoshop, which is incredibly weak, that’s available, and some mobile DJ stuff that can be used for audio editing. But no full-featured suites. It will take developers years, if ever, to port everything over. In every game developer forum, pretty much everyone likes the new M1, but will be sticking with their Intel based-Macs or PCs as no native tools available for it. The collective chorus is that the Apple MBP and iMac just became glorified iPads to play Angry Birds or Mobile Legends, instead of GTA or League of Legends.
You know the ‘trash can’ Mac Pro was replaced two-years ago, right? Its replacement STARTS at $5,500 and can be configured in excess of $30K. It’s an incredibly capable machine.
In any event, the desktop versions of hugely popular video and photo editing software like, Photoshop, DaVinci Resolve, Cinema 4D, Handbrake and many others now run natively on Apple Silicon. Other elements of the Adobe suite, like Premiere Pro are (mostly) in beta testing and should be in final release sometime early this summer.
But honestly, even the ones that don’t yet run natively on M1, most run so well in emulation that you can’t tell the difference. The Rosetta program that leverages specialized compute elements on the Apple Silicon SOC is a remarkable piece of software.
I don’t know much about audio editing software. Pro Tools by Avid is not yet supported, but every indication from Avid is they intend to port their software for Apple Silicon. I suspect most creator software makers will do the same.
You know the ‘trash can’ Mac Pro was replaced two-years ago, right? Its replacement STARTS at $5,500 and can be configured in excess of $30K. It’s an incredibly capable machine.
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Yeah I know. I have 2 of the old Mac Pros and an iMac Pro
No need to upgrade yet.
Pro Tools by Avid is not yet supported, but every indication from Avid is they intend to port their software for Apple Silicon. I suspect most creator software makers will do the same.
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Yeah I use a good part for the Adobe Suite. But no Substance Designer or Painter
“We don’t have a dedicated version of Substance Designer and Painter compatible with the new Mac architecture, however you will be able to run the current versions since Apple is providing a compatibility layer that can run older programs.”
Autodesk is lagging. No 3DS Max Support, poor Maya Support. The whole GPU and shader thing again. Everything run via Rosetta 2
I’m seeing reports that it’s comparable speed-wise to hardware released in 2012 (GTX 1050 and 970m) for graphics.
And the two big game engines, Unity3D and Unreal make promises (Unity was even featured in WWDC) but fail to deliver native IDEs. It’s the whole GPU and shader thing again.
They run as terrible on Rosetta 2 as they do using a WindowsVM inside Parallels.
8 M1 GPUs cores are great for most things, but all rendering layers are build for thousands of Nvidia or AMD cores.
So the decision is do you rewrite and develop for the 8% Apple Market or do you stay in the 92% PC market.
Yeah...
Hate to say it, but other than my PC stuff needed for my development work and gaming, we are a Apple family.
My 11 year old is a PC Master Race kid, I train him well.
Got pissed at Apple when I needed to repair a 2015 27” iMac last year. Hard drive crashed. No Apple repair centers anywhere in the Philippines. I would have to ship it to Singapore (me paying the freight both ways). No 3rd party repair shops here either. Cracking open the iMac is not a repair job I could undertake. Special tools are required, as well as a heat gun.
Apple’s estimated repair cost: $750, as it’s well out of the AppleCare warranty.
Minimum 1 month turn-around time.
Let’s see: a 1TB hard drive cost is peanuts (and I have HDDs and SSDs left over from PC upgrades). With a PC or PC laptop, it’s a 15 minute job, max.
That lovely iMac is now a very expensive paperweight.
And, the MacMini and the iMac 24”
Apple cannibalizes themselves all of the time. The iPad - MacBook tension is all about the superlight near portable to compete with the Microsoft Surface whereas you find that MacBook Pro caters to an Video market that is one notch up from the hobbiest creators who use the iPad Pro as an all in one platform.
Clearly the ability to add a full 6K screen to the iPad Pro is going to take some brain bending, but the iPad Pro fully configured and decked with the Magic Keyboard can cost over $2650 so this is deep in the same price point as the MacBook Pro 16” - in the M1X variant, the MacBook Pro can run MacOS or iOS apps natively but doesn’t have the Cameras or builtin Carrier based Wireless. So form factor and optimization for task drives the sale not the profitability as they both are fine on that point.
This is all transitional.. but the MX class chips will force these developers to MacOS and iOS, they go to who is buying software. And, the market is going to be these new chips. The problem is that Intel is so deep in the crapper that they may or may not dig out. Microsoft has been working on this transition strategically for the past almost decade with the Surface line so they are not affixed to the Intel brand.
If you speak to chip designers they don’t see as much difference between the Intel chips and the Apple ones as the marketing hype would seem to imply, but there are significant differences because of differing design needs, and most of all because Intel has taken 5 years longer to reach a goal they promised to their customers and this was enough time for Apple’s ARM chip to lap the Intel and get ahead now by about 2 years.
But, Apple is right now about 2 years ahead of Samsung and Qualcom in the ARM market just the same. And, unless China invades Taiwan this isn’t likely to change. This is because making ever more precise etching in Silicon is a proficiency, not just a technology. You have to have a whole production line geared to produce flawless chips (which doesn’t really happen) but the yeild of acceptable chips must be sufficient. The next jump in tech like from 5nm process to 3nm process is a whole new production line or even a whole new plant. These take years to put into place, clean up, run up and get going.
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