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To: Karliner
Indeed. I need a proverbial shower just thinking about how asinine our national response has been. Again, if it was a worldwide emergency that needed immediate action they should have been testing everything that could be reasonably considered a treatment. But they did the opposite. And worse than that, they intentionally put out very bad studies which seemed to me to be an effort to cast a pall over the idea that some combination of readily available generic medicines might be very useful. For example a few doctors were finding success with HCQ+ and told the world how to administer it and when (early upon diagnoses or first symptoms). And instead of running with that, others did trials using just HCQ (without the vitamins and minerals and antibiotics that the doctors were using) and gave it to very sick ICU patients and said "see, it doesn't work".

That's not science. Science is repeating the exact same methods and exact same controls to prove and predict the outcome to some high degree of confidence. That is why the FDA normally requires all new drugs to go through multiple randomized clinical trials. Usually two Phase 3 trials, which come after multiple Phase I and Phase II trials. They are usually very highly controlled to repeat results - they can't just change the protocols at whim and call it "science".

38 posted on 04/10/2021 11:22:52 AM PDT by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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To: monkeyshine

Some time ago - I was able to get prescribed HCQ, Ivermectin and a z-pac. Truly not afraid of this virus due to my age and health - Just nice having these effective treatments around seeing how I hate being sick there is good reason to believe the drugs significantly reduce severity.


50 posted on 04/10/2021 11:38:19 AM PDT by week 71
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To: monkeyshine

they can’t just change the protocols at whim and call it “science”.

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And yet they did just that. I better stop. I’ve written a few paragraphs and deleted. This is a hydra with a lot of moving parts and very little truth/science involved.


79 posted on 04/10/2021 12:10:38 PM PDT by Karliner (Heb 4:12 Rom 8:28 Rev 3, "...This is the end of the beginning." Churchill)
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To: monkeyshine

Indeed. I need a proverbial shower just thinking about how asinine our national response has been. Again, if it was a worldwide emergency that needed immediate action they should have been testing everything that could be reasonably considered a treatment. But they did the opposite. And worse than that, they intentionally put out very bad studies which seemed to me to be an effort to cast a pall over the idea that some combination of readily available generic medicines might be very useful. For example a few doctors were finding success with HCQ+ and told the world how to administer it and when (early upon diagnoses or first symptoms). And instead of running with that, others did trials using just HCQ (without the vitamins and minerals and antibiotics that the doctors were using) and gave it to very sick ICU patients and said “see, it doesn’t work”.

That’s not science. Science is repeating the exact same methods and exact same controls to prove and predict the outcome to some high degree of confidence. That is why the FDA normally requires all new drugs to go through multiple randomized clinical trials. Usually two Phase 3 trials, which come after multiple Phase I and Phase II trials. They are usually very highly controlled to repeat results - they can’t just change the protocols at whim and call it “science”.

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Agreed. When reading the Pfizer trial information, or trying to read it, it looks like they’ve redefined the concept of trial completely, partly to conceal that we’re probably now in the start of their phase III trial now.

PubMed Central, : Drugs. 2021 Mar 8 : 1–7. doi: 10.1007/s40265-021-01480-7 [Epub ahead of print] (nih.gov)

Images don’t define when Phase II ends and Phase III begins. Intentionally. That’s why they blend Phase I, II, III.

Phase III ends either in October of 2021, or January 2023. It really look like we the people are phase III

I think the image is copyrighted so I’ll just link it.
https://i.imgur.com/CiarVXB.png


121 posted on 04/10/2021 3:39:55 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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