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1 posted on 04/10/2021 7:15:03 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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"Ancient DNA from Neandertals and early modern humans has recently shown that the groups likely interbred somewhere in the Near East after modern humans left Africa some 50,000 years ago."

There you go, white people are just a bunch of NEANDERTALS..!!

3 posted on 04/10/2021 7:23:17 AM PDT by unread (A REPUBLIC..! If you can keep it....)
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To: SunkenCiv

^


4 posted on 04/10/2021 7:29:16 AM PDT by PGalt (past peak civilization?)
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To: SunkenCiv

Scientists still pushing the Out-of-Africa theory I see


5 posted on 04/10/2021 7:34:40 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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6 posted on 04/10/2021 8:12:27 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: SunkenCiv
the groups likely interbred somewhere in the Near East

"Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose."

7 posted on 04/10/2021 8:17:10 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: SunkenCiv

Neanderthal Garden Genome?

12 posted on 04/10/2021 9:01:09 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: SunkenCiv

Ah, it was mother nature that caused climate change rather than humans.


14 posted on 04/10/2021 9:12:19 AM PDT by bgill
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To: SunkenCiv

Like many, I have a splash of Neanderthal DNA according to 23andme. Their brains were larger than modern man, so I got that going for me too.


15 posted on 04/10/2021 9:15:53 AM PDT by dainbramaged (The best bilge pump is a scared man with a bucket.)
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To: SunkenCiv

“As a result, all people outside Africa carry around 2% to 3% Neandertal DNA.”

Yep, My brother had his DNA sequenced and came back with 2% Neanderthal.


17 posted on 04/10/2021 9:25:06 AM PDT by aquila48 (o not let them make you care! Guilting you is how they control you. )
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18 posted on 04/10/2021 9:31:00 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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Gen 11:1 Now the whole earth had one language and the same words.
Gen 11:2 And as people migrated from the east, they found a plain in the land of Shinar and settled there.
Gen 11:3 And they said to one another, “Come, let us make bricks, and burn them thoroughly.” And they had brick for stone, and bitumen for mortar.
Gen 11:4 Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be dispersed over the face of the whole earth.”
Gen 11:5 And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of man had built.
Gen 11:6 And the LORD said, “Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language, and this is only the beginning of what they will do. And nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them.
Gen 11:7 Come, let us go down and there confuse their language, so that they may not understand one another’s speech.”
Gen 11:8 So the LORD dispersed them from there over the face of all the earth, and they left off building the city.
Gen 11:9 Therefore its name was called Babel, because there the LORD confused the language of all the earth. And from there the LORD dispersed them over the face of all the earth.


19 posted on 04/10/2021 9:36:21 AM PDT by the_daug ( )
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To: SunkenCiv
I recommend Charles Murray's latest (and probably last, given his age) book, Human Diversity. Buy it. If you want to sample it first, go to a bookstore and read the introduction, which is only ten pages but which will give you a good overview. The book is not polemical. Murray has learned a lesson or two over the years about touching the third rail. But the book has a very clear target, which Murray calls the "sameness principle," which has hardened into an orthodoxy that the left is now attempting to impose by increasingly totalitarian means.

The core doctrine of the orthodoxy in the social sciences is a particular understanding of human equality. I don’t mean equality in the sense of America’s traditional ideal – all are equal in the eyes of God, have equal inherent dignity, and should be treated equally under the law – but equality in the sense of sameness. Call it the sameness principle: In a properly run society, people of all human groupings will have similar life outcomes. Individuals might have differences in abilities, the orthodoxy (usually) acknowledges, except for undeniable ones such as height, upper body strength, and skin color. Inside the cranium, all groups are the same.

The sameness principle theoretically applies to any method of grouping people, but three of them have dominated the discussion for a long time: gender, race, and socioeconomic class. Rephrased in terms of those groups, the sameness premise holds that whatever their gender, race, or the class they are born into, people in every group should become electrical engineers, nurture toddlers, win chess tournaments, and write sci-fi novels in roughly equal proportions. They should have similar distributions of family income, mental health, and life expectancy. Large groups differences in these life outcomes are prima facie evidence of social, cultural, and governmental defects that can be corrected by appropriate public policy.

Murray travelled this road long ago in The Bell Curve. He does not want to rehash those arguments. But he takes dead aim at the fundamental "scientific" criticism that was levelled at The Bell Curve, most notably by Stephen Jay Gould, who was a prominent enough public intellectual that his criticisms were parroted immediately by legions of Murray's critics desperate to anathematize his work. This attack rested largely on an open conspiracy of Murray's critics to misrepresent his work by asserting (falsely) that Murray had argued that racial differences in tested IQ were mostly or entirely genetic and that IQ was mostly or entirely inherited. Murray, of course, had expressly and repeatedly argued that genetic inheritance and environmental factors both play a role, and he was agnostic about the differential impact of each.

Apart from the misrepresentation of Murray's work, the critics also added the assertion that "race" was an artificial and meaningless construct and that the "races" had not been separated nearly long enough for significant genetic differences to have arisen. The implication of this view is that all relevant differences among "racial" groups are therefore cultural in origin. When we stop to look back on the debate now, the sheer intellectual dishonesty of this criticism should be apparent. Gould, et. al., were conceding that the "races" might well differ in skin color, in facial features, in tendencies towards typical body types, in average height and weight, etc. An expert can take a skeleton and, with high probability, identify its "race." One can identify "race" with a high degree of probability through any number of physical tests. Murray's critics conceded all that. But they argued that none of these things were important enough to matter with regard to social functioning and outcomes, and that it must be categorically asserted in principle that not enough time had elapsed for mental functioning to have differentiated. This was really a perverse and inverted form of the "motte and bailey" argument. A sweeping and demonstrably false proposition is offered -- here, that "the races" are indistinguishable -- and when the self-evident falsity of that proposition is pointed out, the critics fall back immediately on the motte: the core argument that no argument about differentiation about mental functioning can be admitted, and that to even raise the possibility is to commit an unforgiveable racist offense. These critics essentially conceded that everything except mental functioning had differentiated, but that mental questions are simply off limits to all non-racist people. The problem is that this proposition then gets turned into the sameness principle, which is the foundation of modern leftist intersectionality theory.

Murray's target in Human Diversity is the sameness principle. The question is how to approach the subject without reigniting The Bell Curve controversy. In that regard, Human Diversity is brilliantly framed. With regard to gender, Murray focuses on temperament and interests. He looks to the current neurobiological work on differences in brain structure and function between men and women, hormonal differences, differences in emotional sensitivities and personality profiles, and differences in social functioning across cultures. He is careful to always acknowledge a high degree of overlap and the presence of outliers in both sexes, but on average over large groups, men and women are incontrovertibly different in the physical structure and functioning of their brains and in temperament and interest orientation. These differences in turn correlate with in differential tendencies in social expression. The sameness principle is false. With regard to race, Murray focuses on the growing recognition of racial differences in myriad medical domains. Not only are there myriad racial correlations with specific conditions (Tay Sachs, Sickle Cell Anemia, etc.) but people of different races often have different responses to medicines and different prognoses with various courses of treatment. The sameness principle is not only false; it will kill people if doctors are blind to the differences. This is a recognized issue in pharmaceutical research; gender and racial differences are real, however much that may be anathema to the woke cultists.

Mitochondrial Eve still lurks in the background. Our ancestors survived a evolutionary bottleneck, perhaps a near-extinction event, within the past 300,000 years or so. We are all pretty close cousins in terms of geological time. The question is the amount of differentiation that has occurred among widely scattered breeding populations in periods measured in tens of thousands of years. Murray touches at some length on the various out-of-Africa migrations, with Denisovians, Neanderthals and modern homo sapiens all factoring in. I found it a useful summation of recent work across many related fields. The point is, 50,000 years is ample time for very significant differentiation to have occurred. The next question is what were the different selection pressures in different environments that pushed widely separated bands of out-of-Africa hominid migrants in different directions.

21 posted on 04/10/2021 9:49:24 AM PDT by sphinx
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alrighty then...

that explains my posture, knuckle dragging, and the appreciation for cooking over a wood fire...


25 posted on 04/10/2021 10:42:32 AM PDT by heavy metal (smiling improves your face value as well as making people wonder what the hell you're up to... 😁)
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28 posted on 04/10/2021 12:59:35 PM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken )
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